Tuesday, October 25, 2005

The Tulane Village

A very interesting interview with Scott Cowen on NPR (which can be found by clicking here) confirms my prediction that Tulane will become a stronger school both academically as well as physically. In the interview, Scott Cowen shows the broad range of thinking that the university administration has covered. He mentions the plans to build a large self-contained village with housing, schooling, and shops for students and faculty. My guess is that this village be located in Uptown Square, down Broadway closer to the river (where there was virtually no damage). Tulane purchased Uptown Square a few years ago as a potential secondary campus and secondary housing area. It will probably have shuttle service for the 4 minute ride from the center of campus. This is exciting for me, as I had forgot about Uptown Square until I heard this interview. On top of this, local retailers and especially supermarkets have come back online much faster than predicted. According to many reports, the community will be in very good condition by the time we get back. And if not, Tulane will have its own community for faculty, staff and students.

In this interview Scott Cowen also shows how he is thinking outside the box about the potential long-term affects of Hurricane Katrina. Cowen discusses the implications of getting an education in New Orleans. Plans to shrink the student body and RAISE academic standards will heavily increase Tulane’s attractiveness to students and faculty. It will allow Tulane to keep providing us with a quality education and potentially increase the quality. However, the “Tulane experience” will also be enhanced. New programs to focus on the Hurricane and efforts will give students an opportunity to experience a hands-on academic experience. Tulane will be able to provide students with one thing that NO OTHER UNIVERSITY (outside New Orleans) can. They will be able to teach, learn and study the Hurricane and its affects from a primary perspective- in a place that experienced it all.

Sadly, many staff and faculty have lost or will lose their jobs. My assumption is that this is a financial decision. I know Tulane will make up for this by continuing as leaders in the New Orleans economy. When there was a big government fight over the minimum wage a few years back, Tulane raised it on campus and demonstrated to the city their support- resulting in the new law. This is just one example of how Tulane is a leader in the New Orleans community.

167 Comments:

Blogger wondering said...

How much will the student body shrink?

8:58 PM  
Blogger tuvadad said...

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11:15 PM  
Blogger RollWave23 said...

is that from not drinking every night at the boot?

11:55 PM  
Blogger md mom said...

For all Tulane students:

New Orleans Hillel is sponsoring a "Reunion Tour" in a number of cities where there are concentrations of Tulane students. These informal get-togethers, with FREE food, are open to ALL Tulane students. For more details, check their website at www.neworleanshillel.org. Events currently scheduled:

October 28-Boston University, free Friday night dinner 7pm, Boston Hillel Building (rsvp ngreenfi@tulane.edu or call 954-347-7741)

October 30-Syracuse University, free Chinese dinner,6pm, Winnick Hillel Center, (rsvp absolutsig@aol.com or call 914-498-2233)

October 31-Cornell University, free coffee and dessert, 1-3pm, Libe Cafe by Olin Library,call Jody Portnoff with questions-(504)259-6105

November 1, New York City, Free dinner, location and time TBA

November 3, University of Pennsylvania, Free N'awlins style dinner, rsvp bsarter@tulane.edu

November 17: Washington University in St. Louis, details TBA

November 18-Northwestern University, details TBA

Additional Events TBA:
Atlanta
Austin
Boulder
Dallas
Miami

5:17 AM  
Blogger thanxi said...

Just hung up with a Tulane representative, telling me NOW that Wall Residential rooms on the 1st floor have been flooded.

Upon arriving for our 'visit' proceed to Diboll - not Wall to pick up son's stuff; what's left of it.

They were calling as a courtesy so we wouldn't be shell shocked upon getting a document with photos, etc.

Here we were under the assumption that is was just Rosen, Sharp and another 1 or 2 areas damaged. Why weren't we informed when the flooding was documented, so we wouldn't have been so hopeful that my son would at least be seeing some of his favorite belongings again.

To boot, they're not even saying we'll be permitted to see 'his room'.

i'm extremely disappointed, as well as disgusted...WHAT's NEXT....

reality check - his points are truly valid.

9:42 AM  
Blogger frustrateddad2 said...

RE: wondering @ 8:58
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reading thanxi - sounds like 1 more to cowens 100.

9:58 AM  
Blogger TU Bill said...

Anyone know who is going to be fired? I feel like a lot of cuts are going to come from the athletic department. Has anyone heard anything? I'll post more later but I am very disheartened that one of my coaches was fired while we allow our losing football team to traverse across the country (going as far as Annapolis for one thing) when other teams are forced to cut long distance competitions. Furthermore, the "torch" of Tulane, continues to lose and we could probably make up for the $200 million loss got rid of the entire program.
Just a suggestion.
Or why not make it so Football has only one coach - like they did to every other program.

10:11 AM  
Blogger Ben W said...

thanxi come on, did u honestly think that forst floor rooms in wall wouldnt be flooded if rooms all the way up in sharp were flooded as you claim(something i hadn't heard) the farther back you go on campus the lower the elevaton, wall is all the way back by phelps and since bruff flooded, isnt it common snese that wall did too? dont get angry at Tulane ... use ur head

10:15 AM  
Blogger thanxi said...

ben w.

i've only visited the campus 1 time - to move my son in, so i'm not familiar with the layout which is why i was in touch with the call center many times. Prior to that my husband visited the campus, again just once.

Also i'm not sure how much flooding sharp had, just that many windows were blown out and some roofing gone. Again, i was told by call center - not sure what to believe anymore.

And I am angry - They should have notified us when they knew.

I can see now, that we're all going to have a wake up of some sort in the next few weeks.

10:47 AM  
Blogger Aleksandra said...

I agree with you thanxi, the University should have notified you sooner. I have had the same situation with Rosen. Originally, the call center told us that we would be allowed to move back in and that they had packaged up our stuff. It was only in last Thursday's chat that we found out the building was closed permanently and that there had been looting (a fact I am sure they were aware of well before this).

11:01 AM  
Blogger BootNRally said...

I heard from the get go that Wall got water. It was pretty obvious since its the closes to Reily.

11:47 AM  
Blogger thanxi said...

In the beginning
When we saw the flooding in New Orleans, we assumed our stuff was gone.

Even after Tulane officially closed the fall semester, we still assumed the worst.
After all - we were on the 1st floor.

It's just that now, NOW, since the chats, since we were able to call in and ask questions, since we were able to email at asktulane.edu, and get a confirmation that things were good., damage was minimial, wall was in 'aok shape'
NOW after we accepted things were 'better' than we origially thought,

NOW = how many weeks later: we get the 'phone call'.

Now we're just learning of the large loss of employees. 1st 243 now 400, etc. It's becoming so clear; i want my son to have an education, the one he signed up for, not one of ???'s and more uncertainty.

alexsandra, i'm not sure what's next, but i'm sorry for your lose, and my son's and anyone else who has been misled.

12:00 PM  
Blogger grnwave333 said...

boooo friggen hoooo thanxi sorry your little world just isnt perfect.

12:17 PM  
Blogger greenwave said...

i don't think anyone was mislead. if you lived on the first floor of any dorm north of freret it was safe to assume that you had some flooding. if phelps and mayer had some flooding, why wouldn't you think that wall would? i'm sorry that you don't know much about the layout of the city and campus, but don't claim that they are trying to mislead everyone because you didn't understand where certain buildings are located.

12:59 PM  
Blogger BootNRally said...

Well put Greenwave.

1:09 PM  
Blogger thanxi said...

Greenwave...

I'm only claiming that THEY WERE misleading me BECAUSE they were telling me that my son's dorm WAS INTACT...UNDAMAGED..

and greenwave, Because of the fact that I don't know the layout of the campus, I was looking to Tulane staff to inform me... AND THEY DID - misinform me that is...

and you can boo hoo me, fine, the stuff's not so important...it's the university's lack of honesty that's driving me crazy at this point. Of everytime, and everyone you speak to - getting a different answer..it's sickening already.

1:18 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Anyone who called the call center and asked about Wall Residential and was told that things were a-okay were MISLEAD. Stop defending the mistakes. It's ridiculous, and everyday, the mistrust manifests itself because the administration is NOT UP FRONT. It's not the "things", it is the $40K a year education that we are getting from an administration we can't trust.

1:19 PM  
Blogger Herman said...

I highly doubt the administration was trying to fool people into thinking that student belongings in one residential hall were not damaged, when in fact they were. The truth obviously is going to be found out, so why would they ever lie about it. If you were told your stuff was ok, then later were told otherwise, I am sure it was a misunderstanding or based on what information they had at the time.

Lying when the truth is obviously going to be discovered would be just stupid and conterproductive for the administration.

1:49 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Oh my. I'm so tired of that argument, Herman. They have had 400 people (supposedly) on campus cleaning. First we were told things were being packed, now this. How hard would it have been for them to go one residential hall at a time (just a few of them, not the whole 400) and take an inventory of the damages and then report back honestly to the parents? If they don't know the truth, they shouldn't spread it at the call center. It's ridiculous that this woman is just now finding out that her son's things are destroyed. I'm not sure what I think anymore, but this kind of misleading information is doing alot of damage to this school. It is more productive to be UPFRONT and HONEST and get information to the families. Again, it's not the things, it's the way it has been handled. It sets us all back, again. The obvious is becoming more obvious to me by the day.

2:00 PM  
Blogger thanxi said...

Couldn't of said it better tustudent2 (although i've tried).

Today, I've written e-mails, to 2 different people.
I'd like to know how deep water was in Wall 1st floor, and if any of the stuff was salvaged.

The woman who called explained that 'everything the water touch was discarded'. Everything else is fine. She also stated that 2nd floor and up were perfect, and that in Jan she believes 'Wall' repairs will be complete.

I'm trying to get an e-mail confirmation of all the above, and also I'd like to know if we can see my son's room when we visit.

I asked if Prof Dunn would be living in Wall again... she wasn't sure (the most honest answer yet).

2:09 PM  
Blogger Herman said...

First they are taking inventory of everything in everyones room and boxing it up. If any of your stuff was damaged, like THANXI son's, you will be receiving a call. This has been posted on the tulane website for a little while now. However, this process takes time. There are a lot of people that live on campus.

I agree there are some matters that may have been handled better, but these people are only human, mistakes will be made. I'd rather see the mistakes be made in giving the wrong information regarding some individual's stuff (which regardless of what your told, the fact still remains either your things are ok or your things aren't), than have mistakes be made when it comes to the future of Tulane and the quality of education that Tulane will provide.

People aren't perfect, that applies to you, me, and even Scott Cowen and his administration.

2:26 PM  
Blogger jdyo said...

thanxi,
i am in a similar situation as i live on the first floor of aron, which i was told had 4 ft. of flooding in it. i have been told directly by Scott Cowen and Lester Lefton (provost) that my room would be livable by january, so i would guess that Wall will also be livable by January. i was told slightly different info about my stuff than you were. i was told that nothing was discarded, and Belfor bagged everything and it will be up to me to throw away stuff. however, i was told that (almost) nothing in my room will be salvagable, including stuff that was above that 4 ft. water line. I was told this by the Provost at a town hall meeting last week. i don't think the admin is trying to hide anything from you because niether Scott Cowen nor Lester Lefton sugar coated anything when i asked about my stuff. i think there's just a lot of conflicting info going around.

2:28 PM  
Blogger jdyo said...

Can someone explain to me the layout of Wall. I didn't realize that there were rooms on the first floor. Are they elevated at all, like in Paterson, or are they directly on the ground like Aron or Leadership Village?

2:37 PM  
Blogger greenwave said...

It was always the plan to contact everyone this week. Scott Cowen said that when he was at the town hall meeting here in Houston last week. The administration has also said at the townhall meetings that 110 students have dorms that were affected by the storm and listed all of the dorms (Wall included). Like someone said earlier, there is no misleading going on here, the person answering your calls at the call center was probably misunderstood or confused. They might have thought that your child didn't live on the first floor.

4:11 PM  
Blogger RollWave23 said...

Im really sorry you lost your things. I honestly am. All my boxes in storage were flooded and destroyed....everything from my bedding to my printer to all my workout clothes. I'm sorry Tulane didn't tell you sooner, but they're trying their best. They have class schedules up, planned a Laniappe semester for us, are buying up apartments nearby for student housing...they honestly are trying. They only have a skeleton staff right now and Belfour is there, true, but I'm pretty sure they're only there to cleanup and its hard to get everything figured out and contact all the students. They said they'd contact us the week of Oct 24th to tell if anytihng was damaged and they're doing that.

There's so many dorm rooms to go through and who knows maybe they lost records of who was living where. If the first floor of the dorms were flooded, then the Housing and Residential Living office, which is on the first floor of Irby was probably flooded, making it harder for them to recover their records and contact the students. Please give them patience. It's hard for everyone right now, and Tulane is trying their best. Yes, there are health concerns, but Tulane is trying to get everything figured out. They are spending millions to solve everything, and they would never let us go back if it wasn't safe. They will take every precaution. Do you honestly think that Tulane would open itself to lawsuit, etc and let us go back an inhale toxic mold?

I don't want anyone to leave Tulane. It's a wonderful place because of the people. I'm a Tulane student and I will always be a Tulane student. Here at UCLA, no one gives a care who I am. My classes are huge, professors couldn't give a damn. At Tulane I had small classes (20-30 people), professors that went above and beyond, and a wonderful education. I had professors that gave out their cell phone numbers to their students so the students could call if they needed extra help with anything, not just homework. I had professors that volunteered to tutor me after class for free because I didn't understand class material. I had a professor that took our class out to lunch once a week and paid for us all. That's the difference between Tulane and other schools.

And for all you who think their child has a chance at a better ranked school - its not worth it. UCLA is number 16 (i think) in the nation, #3 best public school in the nation. Tulane classes were a lot more challenging, interesting, and I learned a lot more. Here, professors don't care if you fall behind or don't understand...its all lecture hall classes. TAs teach most of the discussion groups and TAs don't really know how to teach . At Tulane, it was always a very knowledgable professor and I had no classes taught by a TA. Classes are a lot easier, which may help boost the GPA, but at the same time, I'm not learning anything. I feel I'll be better prepared for grad school and life with my Tulane classes because there I'm actually improving my mind and learning. I think I can get a 4.0 here at UCLA easily. All I have to do is memorize. But at Tulane, although its harder to have a good GPA, I'm understanding the material. Profs at Tulane know when you don't know your material because the classes are so small. But I like that, because its motivating for me to work harder and profs will take the time to catch you up if you ask them.

Parents of Tulane freshman, your children havent gone to Tulane yet and don't have an attachment to Tulane. But please just give Tulane a chance. I love Tulane more than anything and it breaks my heart that I can't be there right now. It's a wonderful university in a beautiful city with amazing people, culture, and history. It's a small community. It's family to me. Let your child have the oppurtunity to fall in love with Tulane and New Orleans like I have.

4:19 PM  
Blogger Ray said...

"damage was minimial, wall was in 'aok shape'"

"I'm only claiming that THEY WERE misleading me BECAUSE they were telling me that my son's dorm WAS INTACT...UNDAMAGED.."

There's a huge difference between these two comments. I doubt they used the word undamaged. You have to remember a major hurricane hit, minimal is a relative term. That implies some damage occured and it can be assumed that it was on the first floor.

Life sucks get over it. At least it wasn't your permanent residence like thousands of other people.

4:32 PM  
Blogger dadwhopays said...

grnwave333

Just wondering if you are a student who has mom & dad paying your tuition and bills. Your apathy and sarcasm were unnecessary. We (parents) are well aware that our lives are not perfect considering that we are the ones who picked up the pieces when our childrens' rug was pulled out from under them. We foot the bill to set up 2nd dorms for our kids to make their world better. Especially those students who were starting Tulane as freshman. True, material losses are not catastrophic, in light of what others have lost. But Thanxi may have purchased additonal flight tickets, hotel and car rental to retrieve her son's belongings because she was lead to believe that they were there. Why didn't the admin say that some dorms had contents that were unsalvageable. They also waited to report that Rosen was demolished and contents looted right from the start? Just wondering what gives you the right to belittle a concerned parent?

5:14 PM  
Blogger greenwave said...

The administration did say that there were dorms that were flooded and most of the items inside were unsalvageable. They have said that 110 students will be contacted about their dorm room because it was flooded. They have also said that those affected students will be able to go through their stuff and take whatever they want to keep and that the rest will be tossed. This is not secret information, they have been very open and honest in all of the townhall meetings about the status of peoples belongings.

5:39 PM  
Blogger frustrateddad2 said...

hey brett

I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL TODAY TOO.

if i didn't know any better i would think you had a crystal ball the way you just keep saying i know this or i know that
OR MAYBE YOU REALLY ARE JUST A YES MAN FOR COWEN

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE ORDEAL WE WERE TOLD ONE THING AND & SOME HOW
IT ALWAYS WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE

MY BELIEF IS WE SAW MUCH HAPPEN AFTER A LOT OF US RALLIED TOGETHER, AND REALITY CHECK FORMED THE OUTLINE.

ARE WE EVER GOING TO KNOW THE TRUTH OR DO WE HAVE WAIT UNTIL WE COME DOWN TO SEE WITH OUR OWN EYES?

MAYBE IF I WAS GIVEN HALF THE TRUTH I WOULDN'T OF BEEN SO SHOCKED TO GET THE PHONE CALL ABOUT MY KIDS ROOM BEING FLOODED ALSO

5:49 PM  
Blogger dadwhopays said...

...and so why didn't they contact those dorm dwellers when they knew which dorms were affected. An easy and effective way to do it would have been a posting on their web site. It could have gone like this...
Wall Residence all first floor rooms flooded
Sharp room #'s ..... flooded
etc...
simple huh?
(your dedication is undying)

5:51 PM  
Blogger lsw said...

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6:00 PM  
Blogger lsw said...

thanxi,
please e-mail me @ lsw2282aol.com. I have a son whose room is in Wall on the first floor too. I'd like to talk to someone else in the same situation.

6:01 PM  
Blogger lsw said...

thanxi,
its lsw228@aol.com sorry

6:02 PM  
Blogger greenwave said...

I don't know why they waited until this week to let people know about their flooded dorms. Maybe they wanted to let them know personally rather than posting it on the website. I really don't know, but it might not have been a high priority compared to other issues they have. I mean the affected contents are not going anywhere, they have already been packed up and moved to the Diboll complex. No one can return to the campus until next week either, so calling you 2 weeks ago rather than this week makes no difference. And people should've expected that their rooms were flooded if they lived on the first floor. For weeks on this website and every other website it has been reported that the campus was flooded starting north of Freret street which happens to be where every dorm is. I can understand that some parents don't know the exact layout of the campus and the city but their kids should (freshmen are an exception) but you still could look on any map online or that Tulane provided in handbooks to see where everything was located. If everyone is saying that everything north of Freret was flooded, why would you assume that your child's dorm was not affected? And if you were unsure about where exactly everything is on campus, why wouldn't you try to find out online? If a building has a fire and an entire floor is destroyed, would you expect your apartment on that floor to be fine? Of course not.

6:19 PM  
Blogger dee said...

Thanxi, I too have a freshman in Wall but whose room was on the second floor, throughout the whole time I thought maybe it had survived without flooding because having moved him in and being in landscape architecture/design the first floor was ELEVATED some so when I had seen on the maps that there was flooding which by the way was said to be less than two feet in Bruff I felt it had avoided the worst of the flooding. Secondly on the first official pictures from Tulane there was a picture of the wall showing no noticeable damage. Therefore, I can understand how any parent who only briefly was there to move their child in could assume this also. I had called the center myself over several issues and one time was told EVERY students belongings were going to be packed up and inventoried, then another time that if the room was undamaged could leave the things there till spring so there were conflicting reports from different call personnel but in all honesty it sometimes seemed like the call personnel didn't know much more than me they merely gave out what they were told to. Again a simple solution would be to post the information on the web. They certainly had no problem posting the need for support and money. For all of you students who assume parents are not letting their freshman return I am but I concur with the parents of late, my confidence in the future of Tulane is not as hopeful as it once was. It is difficult because for the freshman their experience will be completely different from the reality of the upperclassmen. The city is a long way from the one you had the last couple of years as well as Tulane. There are no tides courses anymore except for business. The infrastucture of the city and the financial stability of the the city as well as Tulane is in a fragile state. Both need money that at the moment they are not sure where it is coming from and foremost both need housing for it's people. Hopefully all will someday recover but you have to understand as a freshman it is going to be extremely different than it was for you upperclassmen.

6:24 PM  
Blogger Ray said...

"Hopefully all will someday recover but you have to understand as a freshman it is going to be extremely different than it was for you upperclassmen."

I think it will be remarkably similar. Your freshmen can't drive and if they venture from Tulane it will usually be just to the french quarter (which gets old real fast).

Housing for upperclassmen, faculty, and staff is a much larger concern. (Enough freshmen will leave to move the people on the first floor to higher floors if the rooms aren't repaired in time.)

6:49 PM  
Blogger Ben W said...

im not saying that people shouldnt have known earlier about their damaged items(i too put stuff in a first flor aron room because HRL wouldnt let me into my 3rd floor phelps room) but give Tulane a little break, this is a logistical nightmare, i dont think some people, parents and students realize every little detail that needs to be taken care of, there is no university in the country that facing this kind of disaster would have a flawless response.

I understand people are frustrated just calm down its not the end of the world, and just because you didnt get your information a week after the hurricane dont think theyre trying to mislead you. I understand there was some confusion over what the call center was telling people, i think this was genuine misinformation given out, and maybe it would have been better if the call center said "well we aren't exactly sure what got damaged" but then how would you have reacted. the call center is in houston, the school is miles and miles away in New Orleans, they should have been better informed but with the chaos and logistical problems Tulane faced i can understand a little misinformation here and there. If Cowen has posted something on the front page of tulane giving misinformation it might be oe thing but for someone manning a phone in the call center to misinform you, dont think their plotting against you and there is some conspiracy

7:30 PM  
Blogger TulaneSnr said...

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7:38 PM  
Blogger TulaneSnr said...

In response to Dee and freshman not having the same experience as upperclassmen, yes I agree it is different in the fact that they will start in January, but every other aspect will the be the same as my freshman year. They will leave campus only to go downtown or to another bar via a cab or an upperclassman if they know of one and if you are upset about TIDES, well from my experience, no one ever really showed up for it.

Also for people wanting to know what is going on in New Orleans... my uncle is down there setting up a command center and everyday they get new information. As of today, 9 gas stations are open, some grocery stores (many near us), and more businesses are opening each day. Tulane looks like new and the surrounding areas of campus are in good shape (the non flooded areas) and debris removal began this week in uptown. Downtown is ok as well but THOSE ARE THE ONLY AREAS.... again if parents are worried about that, they shouldnt be because your kids really should not be going to any other places unless they know the area well. As more people arrive into the city, he said that there are some "crooks" starting to return as well, New Orleans is a dangerous city to begin with, you just have to use common sense.

I am as excited as the next person to get back to New Orleans, but I do know it will be different. The students will have to be smart and know that the city is different. Also Tulane has done the best they can, imagine in 24 hours planning for freshman to arrive then having the city under water. Yes, Im sure that they made mistakes in regards to certain people, but they have to worry about the faculty, staff, etc and the health of the students (such as can they return) and Im sure that those are higher up than calling people to let them know about their stuff.... sorry guys lives over stuff in my opinion. Its hard situation for all and I think that they are doing what they can with everything given to them, remember they also have to listen to New Orleans law first so they cant let students back when New Orleans isnt letting residents back.

As for the students.... I hope that you guys do what you feel is best for you. I am so excited to go back to New Orleans and graduate in May. Remember that the students make up Tulane and the community spirit and if we all come back with great attitudes about helping others who lost a lot more than us we can do some good. Freshman- Tulane is an AMAZING school and so much fun, it has hands down been the best experience of my life and I wouldn't change it for anything.

I guess I can sum it up in one saying: I did not become a part of New Orleans, New Orleans became a part of me

7:41 PM  
Blogger TUliz said...

I was supposed to live in Willow 1B and just got "the call" as well. It shouldn't have been a shock but it was. The mold level was above the bed (where I had thrown my suitcases) and everything "soft" was thrown away. They took pictures for insurance... another long process. I already lost everything I had in storage (10 boxes). They said the room will be ready for January, though I'm not exactly sure how. Tough luck, I guess.

11:52 PM  
Blogger dee said...

Well I am not saying that it won't be a good experience as a freshman but it will be different than the upperclassmen. The fact they never started on campus had to get adjusted to somewhere else before arriving alone takes the initial feeling about college to a whole new perspective. I actually felt the seniors had the hardest deal as they were missing the last semesters at the school they had already become attached to. But the free spirit that many left home with has changed, with each adversity in ones life a person changes, not that change isn't good but honestly with all the changes in the town and university I don't expect it to be the same for the freshman class. It could end up being better though as I think they may all become very close the kids that return.

4:48 AM  
Blogger TulaneSnr said...

Dee
Yes I do agree it is hard for the freshman bc they had to go to a school that they didnt choose to start their college career. Once they get back (which I hope that they do) to Tulane the campus and surrounding experience should relatively be how it always has been. Do I have things that I am nervous about returning? Sure. Will I be returning? Yes, absolutly. In regards to your thinking that the freshman class may be closer, I not only agree with that but also with the idea that the whole Tulane student body will be closer. When we walk back on campus in January, it will become apparent who loved Tulane enough to come back (unless there are circumstances beyond ones control who cant come back and Im sorry) and we all experienced something that no other student body has, thus we will all have a common ground. I think that the community of Tulane will be a lot closer in the end. Plus, Im sure Cowen has some crazy things lined up to celebrate coming back to New Orleans.

7:09 AM  
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7:46 AM  
Blogger thanxi said...

So well said tuvadad!!!!!

8:12 AM  
Blogger thanxi said...

except for the reality check part -I don't always like what he says, or the way he says it - but he's opened A LOT of eyes to the flip side of things.

He/She has an agenda like all of us, and only wants what we all want - enough honest accurate knowledge to help our family make
an informed decision.

your post is perfect - if only you could have gotten this across during a 'cowen chat'!!

They need to revamp the communication on all levels.

8:19 AM  
Blogger JSR said...

I do agree with all of your comments that the communications could have been tremendously better on all levels, but you also have to think from the point of view from the administration.

It is true in most cases that everyone wants to know how their belongings fared through the storm. For anyone who lived on the first floor of any building north of Freret (note: ALL dorms), it is foolish to have believed at any point that the rooms were perfectly intact and undamaged, despite what Tulane told you. For one, the call center is in Houston, and unless I'm talking to someone on a cell phone who is inside my room, I would not take their word for it. Second, the administration has a lot more on their agenda than letting students know whether or not their belongings were secured and safe after the storm hit. They are busting their asses right now in order to be able to have the campus ready on January 17th, and I give them huge kudos for that.

Yes, the information they conveyed to us at many times may have been vague and misleading, but I'm quite sure it was never intentional. But when you're trying to construct the clean-up effort of this magnitude, deciding staffing decisions, managing the details for next semester and basically starting from scratch, I think we should all give Cowen, Cherrey, and the rest of the admins a break and let them do their job.

I believe the majority of you guys posting here have never been in a storm of this size. Being from the Florida coast, it's something I live with, and I have to admit that I am impressed with the progress Tulane is making. Just because the camera crews and news anchors go away, does not mean the damage and its aftermath is over.

8:53 AM  
Blogger tusoph said...

I got a call last night from a Tulane representative saying that my belongings were deemed unsalvagable. this is something i assumed, seeing that i live on the first floor of willow. tuliz is actually my suitemate. we both lost everything down there. i was told that water reached above the beds in my room and that my stuff was pretty much a lost cause. like liz, i also lost my 10 boxes that were in storage with Pete's Storage. if you have stored anything with them and havent heard from the, you might want to email them at gwhiz99@gmail.com. i'm not mad at the tulane administration. yes i wish i had known sooner, but it wouldn't have changed anything. it wouldn't have stopped willow from flooding or my stuff from being ruined. insurance companies aren't covering anything and when i told that to the lady who called me, she sounded surprised. she was extremely nice though and i'm glad i heard from her on the phone rather than online somewhere or through an email. although i've lost all of my personal belongings, i havent lost my love for the city and school and i can't wait to be back there in january. hopefully the room will be ready to live in.

9:57 AM  
Blogger thanxi said...

Yes James this sounds fine, but the administration is run by more than just Cowen and Cherrey.

You sound intelligent so I know you are aware of that. However, I think that you, like so many other people, are acting as apologists for the administration. In any disaster, communication and information are the foundation of recovery. It is simply unacceptable for the administration to have provided such inadequate, and at times, misleading information.

Secondly, you minimized and belittled the role and importance of the student body by saying that the status of their possessions does not matter. I find that to be very callous and insensitive. Without the students, there is no university. The students matter more than any smoke-and-mirrors image that President Cowen is trying to convey to the public. To put the concerns of the students/parents on the back burner is to lose the support of the people who are really going to rebuild Tulane.

The Tulane administration needs to vastly improve their communications with their own employees (ie the call center) as well as with the broader Tulane community.

10:11 AM  
Blogger RealityCheck said...

At 8:12 AM thanxi said...

"except for the reality check part -I don't always like what he says, or the way he says it - but he's opened A LOT of eyes to the flip side of things.

He/She has an agenda like all of us, and only wants what we all want - enough honest accurate knowledge to help our family make an informed decision."


thanxi - Thank you. Yes, I may sound ridiculous at times, but I'm just trying to counter some of the rediculous statements made by Cowen and Brett like:

"A very interesting interview with Scott Cowen on NPR confirms my prediction that Tulane will become a stronger school both academically as well as physically."

Has there been anything Cowen has said that Brett hasn't fully agreed with? I don't see what Cowen said will confirm anything untill it happens. Can anyone really be sure the school will be stronger, both academically and physically? What is the basis of that prediction and conclusion? Faith?

Sorry, I don't buy it. Perhaps others of the 'faithful' will begin to see the reality too.

11:16 AM  
Blogger JSR said...

I think that you, like so many other people, are acting as apologists for the administration.

No, don't mistake me, I'm not trying to make excuses for the administrations short-comings. I am only speaking from the perspective of a person who has been through several huge hurricanes in my years, and I'm understanding the situation. I guess I'm just trying to be a realist. You have to understand that there was only few ways to successfully communicate in the first couple of weeks after the hurricane - if any of you or your friends have a New Orleans 504 area code, you know what I'm talking about. It was just about impossible to get through to anyone for quite a long time. And then there were the flood waters. After all of these issues subsided, there was the logistical issue of getting people into New Orleans and the campus while trying to feed and house them safely at the same time.

The point I'm trying to make is that they had over a thousand rooms to go through and the belongings of over 3300 students to deem salvagable or not. This, in itself, is quite a task. I feel they are right on schedule.

And no, I'm not trying to belittle the role of students and their belongings. Inspite of everything else that is going on and that has happened, I believe people's belongings should rate among the lower of their priorities. As a student myself, it is frustrating to know that 90% of my personal possessions are still in my room in Irby, and to not know what is fine and what I need to replace really does kind of get under my skin. But in light of it all, I'm okay, and my possessions (well, most of them) can be replaced. I just want an education, and I want it from Tulane, and I'm willing to "go with the flow" right now and not cause more strain on the administration than what is necessary.

To put the concerns of the students/parents on the back burner is to lose the support of the people who are really going to rebuild Tulane.

And I believe if you still support Tulane and want your child to go their, you should start worrying more about what you could do to help, and not what they need to be telling you.

12:08 PM  
Blogger waveroller said...

Does anyone on this site realize what these people have accomplished in such a short time. I find it unbelievable that they have pulled off such a monumental task. And you know what? They made it look easy. Thousands of staff and students, scores of buildings damaged,and yet this institution will be up and running in just a few weeks time. You can all complain about a few damaged items or not being able to get an answer to a specific question. This is bigger than the individual. All this is being done for the greater good, the survival of an institution. Its like a war, some will lose all for the cause. The cause here is the survival of Tulane and its surrounding city New Orleans. And like a war not all will agree that the price was worth it. History wiil be the judge.

12:25 PM  
Blogger NOLA said...

I just went to New Orleans last weekend because my off-campus apartment was being demolished this week.
I got a chance to talk to a number of people on campus and all the first floor dorms have been completely gutted. When I went, they were in the process of putting back floors. However it seemed like things were moving quickly. Considering the man power and materials they had to get into the area to complete these renovations, I was quite surprised how much they had accomplished.
For all of you who have lost your belongs to flood waters and mold, I know how you feel. I returned from New Orleans with about two small boxes of salvageable belongings, and no place to return to in the spring. However I am hopeful and can't wait to return in January.

12:46 PM  
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12:57 PM  
Blogger Herman said...

Reality of this situation is, this is reality. Mistakes will be made, promises with be broken, but if you choose to overcome the hurdles the experience will make you strong.

As a student, looking for an education, I have never be so sure that Tulane is the best place to get my college education both for its academics and the real world experience.

Life isn't easy. Parents often try to make their children's lives too easy, maybe some of these parents should look at all the adversity of this situation and see it as a unique opportunity for thier children to get the an education in life.

I know its sounds cliche, but its true.

1:08 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Promises can't be broken when you are asking for $40K in tuition. I'm sorry to say that there are no excuses for this misleading problems from TU while at the same time they are saying one thing and the other is happening. Again, you people need to stop making excuses for these errors. This "belongings" problem was created by TU, not Katrina. How can you expect a family to put up the money with these kinds of simple problems that plague this administration's response to the families and their needs?

2:12 PM  
Blogger tulane alumni said...

Can we all at least agree that Tulane, it's students, parents of students, and faculty are not the major losers from this storm. I now live and work in Houston and will never forget the few days after the storm when tens of thousands of people poured into the Astrodome (which is right around the corner from my apartment). People were camped out at the bus stops, resturants, grocery stores, and ditches for over a week with less than a trashbag full of useless items for a family of six.

I still have families shacked up in my building that management brought in from off the street. They barely have furniture in there, but they're picking themselves up and asking for no help except to help them find jobs. They don't blame anyone, and they lost their entire home, not to mention family members and some of their friends.

I can't believe I actually read through all of these comments without thowing up. If lack of communication about which first floor dorm rooms where obviously going to flood from the beginning truely upsets you, then I would really like to live your life. If this convoluted self concern and self pity makes you think twice about returning to Tulane, then we'll see you around.

Please, can we stop making more of this insignificant problem. I understand some students lost their stuff. But don't for one second think you're going to get any sympathy from me. Come talk to the people staying in my building before you start complaining over who didn't let you know that you lost some bedsheets.

3:19 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

Frankly, I am disappointed with my fellow students and their respective parents. There is so much negativity out there, and I am repulsed by it. Yes, this is a bad situation, people lost their belongings, and the administration may or may not be dealing with it properly. But let's be straight foward for a moment, I am a junior at Tulane and I resided on the first floor of aron, which was obviously flooded, though I havent received the infamous 'phone call' yet to confirm. Regardless, have I focused on how angry the administration is making me or where I've landed as a result of this disaster? no. because there is no point in brooding over it. I am financing my own education at tulane and my parents are too poor to even afford any kind of homeowners insurance, and I estimate my personal property losses at approximately 6,000 dollars. Have I cried or bursted out in rage? Absolutely not, because the truth is that regardless of Tulane's capacity to deal with this tragedy I have every intention of returning to New Orleans to continue my education. I'm not saying I simply don't care about my losses, what I am saying is that focusing all of your energy on the negative is self defeating. Tulane students don't care that their property was destroyed, or that the administration doesn't care, we care about going back to our city and getting wasted 6 nights out of the 7 in the week. That's right. Let's stop playing games and dancing around the issue. We drink more hardliquor at Tulane than almost any other university. And its probably because we've drank so much beer that it no longer intoxicates us. Frightening to parents? perhaps. Did Comodore Perry's reports from his expedition to Japan survive the flooding? I hope so, but more importantly is Quill's going to be open when I go back the weekend to sort through a pile of moldy clothes of which the best efforts exherted by balfour were to put them in a plastic bag? Make the best of this situation, Ive taken this disaster and turned it into opportunity, I hope that other students viewed it the same as I. Immediately following the evacuation I spent a week on the beach, drinking to my heart's content. As a native new yorker, and avid skiier, I've taken this opportunity to visit colorado for the semester at someone else's cost. Why does everyone have to look at the dark side and complain about Mr. Cowen and his devious nature? The truth of the matter is that true Tulane students with a penchant for alcohol consumption will return regardless of the city's condition, or the quality of the institution's education. As Tulane students, we just happened to get lucky when we found a high ranking university where everyone's major is getting wasted, and neuroscience is my minor. Degrade me if you will, but this is the truth. Where else can you buy a pint of beer for 50 cents and show up to class the next day with a hangover from hell, but still manage to pull a 3.0 gpa at an exceptional university and then go out the next night for a cheap mug full of rum and coke? Let's be real people, this is the time to get wasted and talk about how awsome its going to be back in new orleans. allahu ackbar.

3:45 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

With all due respect, Alumni, why don't you help them get jobs while we muddle through the problems of that require our $40K a year? We've all thrown up several times at the mess that Katrina caused everyone. You have your degree, we are trying to work our own problems out with Tulane so that we can get ours. The real picture isn't the bedclothes, sir/madam, it is the entire misleading picture that has been painted. We are victims, as well. We aren't asking for anything except fairness and honesty. Tulane, on the other hand, is asking us to foot the bill for the disaster, and that is understandable in order for the University to continue, but with that, comes responsibilty to those who ARE footing the bill. You need to understand the WHOLE picture -it's not about first floor rooms that flooded. By the way, have you made your donation to Tulane yet? I have, to the tune of $15K.

3:56 PM  
Blogger greenwave said...

how was anyone mislead? there were reports that campus had a few feet of flooding, so it is only logical to believe that if you lived on the first floor your dorm room was flooded. i lived in an apartment off campus on the first floor on broadway. i was more concerned about how much flooding i had rather than if i had flooding. no one who lived in a first floor dorm should've expected to avoid the flooding. i'm sorry that you lost your stuff, but it least you didn't lose your life. sure this is a bit of a set back and it sucks that you lost some of your clothes and personal items, but you still are alive and well. thats more than a lot of people who were affected by this storm can say. you also have the school currently cleaning up all of the dorms and making them brand new. thats a lot more than a lot of people living off campus can say because a lot can't even contact their landlord. this was a tough time for almost the entire gulf coast. your losses are nothing compared to what most went through. maybe when a lot of you go down to new orleans in the next few weeks you should swing by lakeview or the 9th ward so that you can understand how fortunate you are that you only lost some clothes and a computer or a tv.

4:31 PM  
Blogger GreenWaveGirl said...

Dee said...
"There are no tides courses anymore except for business."

Yes, there is tides in the spring semester. Here's a link:
http://www.tulane.edu/~courses/springt
/S067.html

Perhaps you were looking at lagniappe semester, where there are only business tides. However, considering that TIDES are to help freshmen adapt, they only need to have them spring semester.

tuvadad said...
"I'll raise another issue, as long as we are talking about credibility, and personal integrity. When asked about faculty, Dr. Cherrey stated that to her knowledge, all were coming back. Now we read 200+, then 400 are not."

The faculty Dr. Cherrey is talking about are the tenured full-time professors. The faculty that were let go by the university, not "not coming back" as you say, making it sound as if it were by their own accord, were let go because they were part-time faculty or student employees etc.

This is from the website:

The following employees will continue to receive pay checks from Tulane University:

* Full-time tenured or tenure-track faculty at their base salary;
* Graduate students and post-doctoral fellows who are on stipends;
* Full-time staff not affected by the Nov. 15 separation.

Those who were terminated effective September 30, 2005 and August 29, 2005:

* All part-time faculty;
* Part-time staff who are not benefits-eligible;
* Part-time staff who are benefits eligible and were hired after May 1, 2005.
* Adjunct faculty who are not benefits-eligible;
* All-but-dissertation (ABD) graduate students who teach courses on an adjunct basis;
* Temporary employees (will be paid for services performed prior to August 29, 2005);
* Student employees (will be paid for services performed prior to August 29, 2005);
* All special pays.

Those who will be terminated effective October 31, 2005:

* Part-time staff who are benefits-eligible and were hired before May 1, 2005. Individuals whose positions are mission-critical may be exempt and if so, will be notified by their direct supervisors.

Tenured professors are not being fired. They will be there.

4:42 PM  
Blogger averyTHEdog said...

Word. There certainly is a lot of sniveling and bitching. And Christ, I knew my shit was completely ruined once the flooding started. Anyone remeber being calf deep in water after a mild downpour? I sure as hell do.

Ask yourself this: Do you really need two hundred dollar jeans and thousand dollar purses? Maybe this little Katrina incident will put your life back in perspective.

All I need in New Orleans is my cigars, beer, cigs, flip flops and cut off shirts. See you all in New Orleans. Keep it real at your respective schools.

4:46 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

tustudent2......could you hear that? I was applauding your 15k donation to tulane as you referred to it, or as Im sure I and everyone else would consider it - your tuition. So let's ask ourselves what tuition does. You pay money to an institution and the university utilizes your funds to maintain the school. How can you trivialize an alumni's contributions and belittle them? Your tune of "15k" is hardly heard over the baroque cost of a 4 year education at tulane, so like my applause, maybe you should keep it to yourself. Regardless of your opinion, personal attacks are not warranted and ill appreciated. Think about all of the alcohol you'll be able to consume when you get back to new orleans, and understand that your "donation" is going to afford you the best memories you'd otherwise never have. Prost!

4:59 PM  
Blogger frustrateddad2 said...

OKAY BOYS GIRLS LET'S FORGET THE ABOUT THE FLOOD FOR JUST A BLOG MOMENT,
AND REREAD TUVADAD BLOG - THEN MAYBE U WILL SEE WHAT WE'RE AGGRAVATED ABOUT

"The reality is that communication has been very poor. Given the resources that were poured into them, I question the relative value of the Town Hall meetings. At the first one, Dr. Cherrey claimed to have personally seen every dorm room and to know which ones were damaged.

That says to me, a simple listing of dorms and a simple description of the damage (eg. 'first floor flooded') would have been reasonable information, would have made many calls to the call center unnecessary, and while not answering questions in detailed fashion, at least been a 'heads up' to those concerned.

The Call Center, too, has been an unmitigated disaster. Better an updated set of web pages containing info and a taped phone recording directing one to them".

AT LEAST WE HAD THE WEEKLY CHAT - WE FELT LIKE WE WERE GETTING SOME INFORMATIN 1ST HAND...WHAT HAPPENED.

If you are happy, tulane muslim - good for you (have another drink, be happy)

TULANE NEEDS TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND BE ON THE SAME PAGE ALREADY. COMMUNICATE

5:12 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Can we have ANOTHER AMEN to Frustrateddad2. And by the way, TulaneMuslim, I don't drink.

5:21 PM  
Blogger jdyo said...

seriously, does anyone know if quill's is open yet? i tried calling today but their phone is disconnected. yeah, all my stuff is gone too, which sucks, but i would give up the one pair of flip flops and 5 t-shirts i still have to be back at tulane right now.

5:24 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Ok, I've been doing some re-reading, and I have a good freshman question. I'd like specifics. What else does NO have to offer me, and what does Tulane have to offer me for my 40K this next year? Give me specifics on WHY I should come back. Remember, I don't drink, so the Boot is not relavent to me.

5:28 PM  
Blogger thanxi said...

tustudent2 - just for you

Amen, frustrateddad2

5:43 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Thank you sister Thanxi!

6:00 PM  
Blogger averyTHEdog said...

Plenty of students don't drink, but I'm sure by the time your Tulane years are over with you will appreciate a good brew on a hot day and evening. And with an attitude of entitlement, New Orleans and Tulane will have nothing to offer. However if you come with an open mind Tulane will help you grow and develop more than any other school. Lotsa good folks at TU.

6:03 PM  
Blogger JSR said...

tustudent2 - Culture. History. Diversity. No where else in the United States, and very few places in North America for that matter, is as rich in history and tradition as New Orleans. I'm in Orlando right now, and I miss NOLA so much. VoodooFest, Jazzfest, and Mardi Gras are all obvious examples of all three points I started with, but there is so much more. I miss taking strolls by Jackson Square and going into all of the little shops and restaurants. And the last, and certainly not least thing I miss - the FOOD. I shouldn't even have to explain that part.

On another note, some people have been complaining about the demand for tuition this semester from Tulane. For those of you who question this, I ask that you read the article about Tulane in the Wall Street Journal that ran on Wednesday, September 28th. It does a very good job of breaking down the situation (from a financial point of view) of Tulane. I can even make a copy for you and I'd be more than happy to send it your way.

Yes, Tulane could have possibly done a better job by means of communication, but like I've said, they've had better things to do. If people would stop being so critical, it would make the transition into next semester a lot smoother for the university as a whole. To even know the status of your room less than two months after a category four storm struck it is more than what most residents of New Orleans could ask for, so be grateful for the tulane.edu updates and the calling center, no matter how poor of a job you believe they are doing. Tulane's administration is trying, and that is what I feel matters most.

6:07 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Averythedog: There are lots of good people at alot of Universities - there are lots of good people at the University I am attending. I have no attitude of entitlement, whatsoever, but I need specific on what this University, with all the current problems facing them, and the city, has to offer me that another university w/o the problems doesn't. It's time for you all to sell the University, again, to all us freshman who are feeling like we should bail out. Give me specifics. Give me comparisons and help me to make a good decision. I can't make decisions on emotions, and love for the University, because I like TU (I was only there about 6 hours) but I don't have the "love" that you all speak of. You guys need to help sell this spring to us.

6:14 PM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Thanks, James. Those things you described are New Orleans things. I need specifics on TULANE UNIVERSITY. Why should I come back there? I appreciate your time in trying to do your part to get the rest of us back. I'm listening with an open mind. I have been told that NO won't be the NO that you love so much, so why should I spend the next four years of my life at TULANE? JazzFest won't be in NO this next year, and I'm having serious doubts about Mardi Gras -and I can go to Mardi Gras w/o the tuition price - do you see my point?

6:18 PM  
Blogger averyTHEdog said...

why did you want to come to Tulane in the first place?

6:51 PM  
Blogger frustrateddad2 said...

BRAVO...BRAVO...TUSTUDENT2,

BRETT COULD LEARN A FEW THINGS FROM YOU....NOW THIS IS PRODUCTIVE BLOG TALK ON THE STUDENT/ PARENT END

7:03 PM  
Blogger frustrateddad2 said...

people here would call Tulane 'the harvard of the south'. My son was so proud of that.

7:04 PM  
Blogger thanxi said...

at 5:28 tustudent2 sez:

"Ok, I've been doing some re-reading, and I have a good freshman question. I'd like specifics. What else does NO have to offer me, and what does Tulane have to offer me for my 40K this next year? Give me specifics on WHY I should come back".

**Great freshman question....great topic....
and I honestly believe if Brett would leave out all the 'fluff' I think he could answer this one perfectly, yes?

7:24 PM  
Blogger tuvadad said...

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8:04 PM  
Blogger sigma_rho said...

This is getting ridiculous. tuvadad, are you sure you have a daughter going to Tulane? (If you do have a daughter attending Tulane, I suggest she withdraw.)

First you said Tulane lied on faculty returing. Now you are claiming tenured professors are not enough to offer a normal course selection.

Tell you what, Tulane is doing its best to keep its tenured AND TENURE-TRACK professors. And I can guarantee you more than 95% of tenure and tenure-track professors are coming back in the spring. Don't ask me why, I don't want to explain to you how professors move from school to school just to keep you in the dark.

Oh, can you tell us what major can't offer a normal selection of courses so your daughter has to withdraw or change major?

8:30 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

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8:34 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

If Tulane were to drop its neuroscience major, I would too, because its really just a fancy buzz word attached to an easy curriculum. And also, Tulane's not the harvard of the south, Harvard is the Tulane of the North with a lot less partying. Which I guess would make it not really anything like Tulane. And I do drink, heavily.And I don't care about the boot either, probably because its an awful establishment whose profitability is generated by its proximity to campus. Objectively, tustudent2, if you want reasons to go to Tulane, why don't you just reevaluate the ones that prompted you to go there in the first place? It's still in new orleans, rich with culture and history. And you can go to mardi gras and not be a tourist that gets arrested for urinating in public and not have any buddies that even know where to go to bail you out. With all the negative chi on this board, why would you even ask why you should go back? No one here is going to sell you on it if its not in your heart to be there. Go for a semester and you'll never want to leave. It'll bring a tear to your eye when your plane lands in middleofnowhere international airport because you know your summer couldn't possibly rival the excitement at Tulane. Between balancing classes and activities at Tulane you should have an assortment of memories you'll never let go. Is this all sweet talk? Have I managed to say a lot about how great Tulane is without providing any substance for my argument? perhaps. If the same reasons that prompted you to go to tulane the first time aren't good enough to make you want to go back, things probably haven't improved since then. I suppose that's a self defeating argument, but believe me, Tulane and the surrounding area and activities will not change that much, because Tulane students just like it too much to let it go on account of some swirling low pressure system that blew in off the gulf of mexico.

8:36 PM  
Blogger TulaneSnr said...

tustudent2- I totally understand your concern about what New Orleans can offer you w/o the drinking. Honestly, there is alot. First and most impt, the areas which you would go to are ok... uptown and downtown. If you are not from New Orleans or dont know the area really well I would not recommend going to the other places (plus there isnt too much to do there anyways). Ok so for things to do, the culture there is amazing, there is nothing like it. You can walk around Jackson Square for HOURS looking at the individual stands of selections or go to a cigar shop where they make all of them by hand (i dont smoke but i thought that it was super interesting). The music there is top notch. New Orleans is know for its Jazz music, walk on any street in the French Quarter and someone will be playing (they have already started back). Audubon Park and Zoo are awesome as well. There is the levee where people sunbathe on nice weather (which is basically year round). The food.... well you can never have enough. You can ride on the street car up and down St. Charles and look at the mansions which are decorated for every known holiday (and then some). Basically what I am saying is that you can make the most out of where you are if you want to (you can make it as good or bad as you want), but hands down New Orleans has the most to offer you out of any city. My friends come to visit and are almost overwhelmed with things to do. You had to choose this school for something and now, there will be even more to do esp with volunteer work. I can tell you this as well.... I grew up a lot faster than my friends from home and it has benefited me in many ways (ie internships), but in the end you need to make your own decision. No one can tell you what to do. But New Orleans has sooooo much to offer and so much to do w/o drinking. I hope I helped, but there really is no city at all like New Orleans (before or after Katrina)

tuvadad- Im just wondering what your child's common major is bc mine isnt and it has about 3 times the normal offering for a semester... im just curious

Honestly, for all the parents whose child lost things, I truely am sorry, I dont know what it feels like (I live off campus and luckily is was ok), but from my experience at Tulane, they should fix things fast and I know nothing can help but I am sorry about everything

Students- I hope to see "ya'll" in Jan!

8:45 PM  
Blogger TulaneSnr said...

"It'll bring a tear to your eye when your plane lands in middleofnowhere international airport because you know your summer couldn't possibly rival the excitement at Tulane."

I have cried every single time leaving New Orleans (yes incld winter break of freshman year)

8:47 PM  
Blogger JSR said...

TUStudent2, all I can really descirbe to you is the differences I have experienced this semester in coming from Tulane, ranked 43rd in the nation, to a public state university (University of Central Florida). I know this may be an unfair comparison because of the extreme disparity in the calibur of the two institutions, but stick with me here.

First off, the professors at Tulane have never treated me as a "student," per se, but more of an equal, which I always liked. They assume you are an intelligent and informed person and willing to actively participate in class. I'm not going to lie and say I always appreciated this fact, because I'll admit that some days after a long Thursday night out I wished I was just invisible and the professor didn't know me by my name and face. But now, after being in public school lecture classes of over 400 students, most of whom who not take notes, or even listen to the lecture, I am longing for the atmosphere of Tulane's classes. The professors at Tulane truly want to know you, and that's not just sunshine that admissions blew up your ass trying to "recruit" you to enroll. I've sat with my professors for well over an hour just discussing things in general, sometimes not even pertaining to class.

Second is the campus life. I am currently living off-campus in a house with some friends from high school, and I have yet to meet anyone at UCF besides some brothers from my fraternity that I met here. Tulane constantly has things going on, and you're always in close proximity of everything. No traffic to drive through, just maybe a nice, refreshing ten minute walk in beautiful NOLA weather.

These are the things I miss most about Tulane. I hope things are relatively the same when we go back in January, but I can't guarantee it, nor can Cowen or Cherrey at this point. They can only promise to do their best effort, which, in my honest opinion, I believe they have and will continue to do for the months leading up to spring semester.

I hope this helped you lean one way or another, TUStudent2.

9:02 PM  
Blogger greenwave said...

Jazz Fest will be in New Orleans this year just like Mardi Gras will be.

tustudent2 I have been to many universities across the country and none of them have the same feeling as Tulane. There is something about Tulane that makes it different. I think it has to do with New Orleans having a completely different feel from any other city in the country. The school and the city have so much character that you don't feel like you are in the US. New Orleans has an old European city feel to it. Everything is very unique and not commercial. You aren't going to find tons of WalMarts, movie theaters, and big shopping malls like most major cities. You have a lot of small shops that offer just as much but are much more personal. Tulane is no different. It isn't like some of the big sprawling campuses of a lot of major universities. You can walk from tip to tip of the campus in 15-20 minutes. And you have all of the beautiful oak trees that line the campus. Hopefully most are still there, but I wouldn't be surprised if the trees are a bit lighter now. It is a lot of the little things that make the campus great. Whether it is playing flag football or soccer on the quads with your friends after class or during the weekend, or sitting out on the quad on a beautiful spring day. If you have a car you can go to the fly or the levee and play frisbee, sit out in the sun, throw a football or baseball around, have some drinks, and just enjoy yourself. It's hard to separate Tulane from New Orleans because the two go hand in hand and part of the Tulane experience is the New Orleans experience. At what other university can you go to a restaurant like Camellia grill at any point in the day or night. Or have access to a park like Audubon Park across the street from campus. Everyone has a story in the city and they are all happy to tell you. From the cab drivers (who I happen to think are some of the most interesting ones I have ever used, second to London) to the bartenders, to the barbers, or anyone else you can think of. The Tulane and New Orleans experience is truly life changing because you become a different person being there. I'm sure now will be even more life changing because of Katrina. The people in New Orleans now are the ones who have the most passion for the city. Just like the people at Tulane will be the ones with the most passion for the school. The bond between everyone in the school and city will be unlike the one at any other school in the country.

And yes, alcohol is a part of the culture of New Orleans and the school, but everyone doesn't drink in the city and at the school. There is a lot to do in the city does not involve going to bars and getting drunk. You can go to some of the finest restaurants in the country, visit some great museums, go to some great jazz bars and listen to music, and do much more. And a lot of the people who for whatever reason didn't drink in high school eventually warm up to the idea at college. So you might not be too hot on the idea right now, but that doesn't mean that you will be a regular at some of the bars a few years down the line. College is the first time a lot of people get the chance to do whatever they want and get to find out what they like and what they don't. You always hear people say that college is the best years of your life, and so far I have to agree. So far this year hasn't been one of the best years of my life, but I have faith that this might be one of the best because of what I have learned about life any myself and will continue to learn once I go over to New Orleans. It's not going to be complete happiness all of the time while you are down there and you should probably expect some pretty emotional experiences if you venture outside of the part of the city that was spared, but experiences like that only make you stronger.

9:44 PM  
Blogger The Obese Blogger said...

The uptown area of NOLA is beautiful - no doubt about that. But there are truly beautiful, smaller campuses elsewhere in the US (all over the NE) that have the same look, feel, academic rigor, and personal touch WITHOUT the pure and unadulterated racism, crime, poverty, ugliness surrounding it, oppressive weather, ignorance, and yearly threats of hurricane destruction.

All the examples given by other posters about the positives of the Tulane campus are TRULY what you can find on many many college campuses across the country. AND when one leaves the campus environment and drives outside the "college bubble" - there is natural beauty and fun things to do everywhere and beyond, unlike what one experiences at Tulane.

Frankly - NOLA was the ONLY place I've ever lived that I actually feared for my life. I only felt relatively safe on campus...but not even at night if I was alone. Remember the security guards that were available to escort people ON campus?? (it IS a small campus)...

I will never forget the almost daily robberies by gunpoint that students faced when walking just along Maple and other nearby streets and near the Boot. I will never forget one of my professors who abruptly left NO after he and his wife were robbed at gunpoint uptown in the front of their house while taking in groceries (in broad daylight). Tulane students could not lock up nice bikes on bikeracks on campus - they would be stolen 100% guaranteed. My car was broken into in broad daylight in the parking lot of a bookstore.
Med students and/or grad students in the CBD had it even worse.

I will never forget the stately mansions along St. Charles in close proximity to some of the WORST housing projects I've ever seen - worse than NY, Washington, or Philly. I never once saw any students working IN the real community of New Orleans - helping the real community - side-by-side along WITH the real community. Service learning is unfortunately a joke at Tulane.

I expect that all these opportunites to help rebuild NOLA will be focused around the campus needs and the whiter, weathier part of New Orleans. If no student ever stepped foot in the 9th ward, or other real communities in NO or even surrounding the uptown area and before the hurricane - I seriously doubt that they will be inclined to do so after the hurricane.

I'm not saying that Tulane isn't a good experience in it's own right -let's just PLEASE keep some perspective on life as it really IS in New Orleans.

Some of these posts almost remind me of a co-dependent abused or neglected wife who refuses to leave her husband - she keeps making excuses for the bastard...maybe not the best example, but hopefully you get the point.

1:20 AM  
Blogger PostNola.com said...

Great interview link!

-Postnola.com

1:57 AM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

To all of you who are posting in response to my plea, I thank you. This is some real substance, and most certainly gives me a chance to weigh my options. I appreciate your honesty (both positive and negative) and I truely believe that this is what we should all be doing now. Enough of the personal attacks from all of us. I think the bottom line to the reason why there has been these personal attacks has been the lack of real communication on all levels from TU. I know they are trying, but I believe that there was an early lack of communication for the reality of the situation that festered this tone on all of these blogs. Most people can make a solid decision based on honesty, and I feel like the initial approach was that "we are gonna be fine, everything will be great, just pay that fall tuition and come on back to NOLA". I think that approach was damaging to alot of people: parents, students and faculty/staff. In one breath we hear this is the worst natual disaster in history, and in the next breath, everything is rosy and getting back on track. It is a confusing situation at best. One minute I hear that tuition won't rise, the next I hear that the population of TU will be cut, and on and on. One minute the dorms are fine and the belongings are being shipped, the next it is come get your things on such and such date, but .........when you come, don't be shocked to find your things on the curb. We hear from Alumni (who are holding their degrees) that we should come back and support the school, and in the next post, we are all spoiled and "need a life". It is a constant state of miscommunication. I think so much of this could have been aleveated at the forefront. Parents are upset, kids are lost and upset, some kids are holding on with pure emotion, others are bonding on other campuses and others are just trying to make it through. We are led to feel guilty because we feel like victims,because we could go to TU in the first place. We are led to decide between our lives and those in the 9th ward. I didn't create the conditions in the 9th ward, and I earned my way to TU, and I will not feel guilty because I feel victimized as well. My hopes and dreams and my life long work to get to where I was in the fall of 05 has been "victimized". I lost more than my bedsheets, too. We have all lost, to some degree, and I think the majority of us realize that. I am glad I didn't lose my life and my entire home and on and on, but I DID lose so much, that most of you who want us to feel guilty for our loses have no idea. My parents lost as well. I thank you all for your posts. I hope you will all step back and realize that you have to help get us all back, especially the freshman, because if we all leave, you won't have a university. The same will be true if the faculty and staff and the other students don't return. I guess what it boils down to is choice. I believe the TU administration has to look beyond loyalty and love for the school and get up front and personal with reality - before it is too late. Thanks again, all, and I look forward to continually reading your posts giving me reasons to consider returning.

3:37 AM  
Blogger dadwhopays said...

Tustudent2:

Your post was perfectly stated! Good for you!

tulanemuslim: Wow! you seem like a dedicated student. With all your drinking it is amazing that you get any work done; or as you stated the courses are so easy that it is possible to pass thru Tulane courses contantly inebriated. No wonder your parents don't want to finance your education, I wouldn't either. Perhaps your most ridiculous statement was that you would switch your major if you couldn't find classes! You have turned off many students who care about the quality of their education. PS I hope you don't plan on going into medicine, I'd be scared.

4:07 AM  
Blogger Ocatillo said...

Cops arrest you for visiting projects to check on your reading student, thus enforcing the schism between races.

After hurricane Hugo ('89), Charleston has cleaned up and flourished. So may NO.

BTW, does leadership dorm have another name? How did it fare?

5:31 AM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

TUMuslim: Sorry, I have to agree with the dadwhopays. If I were your parent, you'd be doing it on your own as well. Grow up, and offer mature solutions.

6:20 AM  
Blogger CAS said...

I'm glad that my son will be among the "realistic optimists" who want to return to Tulane and NOLA. Some people are just "hard-wired negative". It's such a bummer to be around them:pessimistic, complaining, whining, unhappy people. Nothing makes them happy.They'll always find something to complain about. The experience is what you make it.I hope you choose to take your negativity to some other campus.

6:38 AM  
Blogger grnwave333 said...

what everyone needs to realize is that the large MAJORITY of the school isnt posting and complaing on this site. They are simply going about they're lives, not letting the adversity get to them, and waiting for the time when they can return to tulane. These are the people that will grow from the experience, not you egotistical whinos who get raging hard ons from dissecting everything. Move on, and when its time to come back, come back. TRANSLATED: get a life and shutup and deal, YOURE NOT ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING.

7:19 AM  
Blogger ncgwmom said...

Agreed, Cas. Mine's like yours, and there will be much there for them. Habitat for Humanity in NOLA is where mine is headed after Christmas. He didn't choose the disaster, but he can certainly choose his own response to it.

7:20 AM  
Blogger RealityCheck said...

At 6:38 AM CAS said...

" Some people are just "hard-wired negative". It's such a bummer to be around them:pessimistic, complaining, whining, unhappy people. Nothing makes them happy.They'll always find something to complain about. The experience is what you make it.I hope you choose to take your negativity to some other campus."

Isn't a person who complains about complainers, a complainer themself?

Do you like only hearing good news and information? Is that the basis on which you make decisions? Do you refuse to look at the other side of the story because it may have negative conotations?

There isn't anything negative, pessimistic, complaining, whining or unhappy about the above questions. They are questions, but you may not like the answers to the questions because the answers are negative.

As one of those people who you consider a "hard-wired negative" person, I question when people answer questions or give information only in positive terms, when there is clearly a negative side that should also be communicated. By not communicating potentially negative information, the perception is that they are hiding the negatives, and that they are not being forthcoming with all of the information. When people are hiding information, one tends to wonder why they hiding it.

Optimisim is good. Blind following people who are exposing only the posititve information and unquestionly agreeing with them is not.

7:21 AM  
Blogger grnwave333 said...

P.S.
I've talked to several presidents of univerties around the country, personally. They've all agreed that Scott Cowen has one of the hardest jobs you can think of ahead of him and that he is doing an extraordinary job. They are disgusted when they hear people are complaining about him.

7:25 AM  
Blogger TUStudent2 said...

Which Presidents have you spoken with? How do you have so much access to Presidents of Universities? Just curious, because I'd like the same access so that I can get their feelings on the whole story. No one said Mr. Cowen didn't have a tough job.

7:44 AM  
Blogger ncgwmom said...

"A complainer 'themslef'?" No, RC--just people who tire of hearing the same thing over and over when there are real problems to be faced and moved on with. It's time to do just that. There are ways to be solving problems right now--plans to make to solve them for oneself and for others. It's easy to refuse to see beyond one's own little circle of money and things. It's perhaps a little more challenging to accept the difficulties of a larger world and try to help. I'm proud that my own son chooses to do the latter even though he's neither ignorant nor brainless, as you seem to enjoy suggesting people are when they elect to look to the future with an eye for solutions.

Trying to find solutions assumes that problems exist, yes, but not that they are insurmountable or that we ought to sit around moaning about them. I'm delighted that I've raised a son capable of choosing that perspective without any prompting from me. I'm equally delighted to find others posting here who share it. I hope he meets them in NOLA in January.

Now, I know that your habit is to ridicule posts like this one, mocking anything that doesn't support your own view of things, but I didn't really take the time to address your words with you in mind. Rather, I can accept your ridicule for the sake of indirectly addressing those who share my own son's enthusiasm for Tulane and opportunities to help and and get to know others who share those enthusiasms.

7:53 AM  
Blogger another texas mom said...

tustudent2, you look to others to convince you to return to Tulane. I ask you. What made you choose it in the first place? Yes, something terrible happened to NOLA and Tulane, but the essence of the school is still there. Give it a semester. Perhaps what you have is buyer's remorse. Maybe the puppy you bought is less than perfect now, or maybe it isn't. No one else can decide that for you. It's not the responsibility of the other student bloggers to convince you that going back is a good deal.

To the unhappy parents: It's also not your responsibility to change the minds of those who want to return to Tulane. If you truly don't want your child to return, don't let them. Or, if it's your pocket book that you are concerned with, don't pay if they do. Endlessly trashing the school and the administration only makes you sound like a broken record.

I have noticed that blogger responses are slowing down amidst the continued attacks. I enjoy reading the latest news and find the latest shared information helpful. I hope it will return to that.

8:26 AM  
Blogger RealityCheck said...

another texas mom said...

"I have noticed that blogger responses are slowing down amidst the continued attacks. I enjoy reading the latest news and find the latest shared information helpful. I hope it will return to that."

I agree with your last sentence, I would like to see real information here. What we get here is mindless cheerleading for Cowen and the school, and not just from Brett. Ignoring negative information, attacking the people who post negative information or posting biased reports that 'prove' things are getting better is considered propaganda, not information.

9:23 AM  
Blogger RealityCheck said...

At 7:53 AM ncgwmom said...

"A complainer 'themslef'?" No, RC--just people who tire of hearing the same thing over and over when there are real problems to be faced and moved on with."

You are hearing these things over and over again, because we are getting the same non-answers from Cowen and the Administration over and over again. I am also getting people saying over and over again that Tulane will come back and be better than before, without providing a basis on which they can make that statement. People on this blog and mine who object to me keep saying over and over again to just withdraw and go away because they don't want to hear the negatives over and over again.

Substantive information is hard to come by when full disclosure of information is being embargoed over and over again by Cowen and the Administration.

9:41 AM  
Blogger tuvadad said...

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11:17 AM  
Blogger sigma_rho said...

tuvadad,

Can you tell us your daughter's major please? I would like to compare the course offerings for her major before and after Katrina.

Dr. Cherrey was right and honest when she said that all faculty were coming back (assuming that is what she said.) Like you said, we can agree to disagree. But, just for your information, it is extremely difficult for professors (I mean those real professors who do both teaching and research) to move from school to school. As a matter of fact, the issue regarding faculty attrition should not have raised in the first place.

11:47 AM  
Blogger TUGrad96 said...

I think that everyone who thinks that the campus or New Orleans will be the same is living in a fantasy land. I lived in Sharp and would have expected to have my stuff flooded. I hope Tulane comes back and is better than when I attended, but I think that it will take a lot longer than January.

11:51 AM  
Blogger TUGrad96 said...

Parents who pay the bills and donors to the school have every right to question the leadership of the university. Just be happy that the school is going to reopen in January. It could have been a lot worse.

11:53 AM  
Blogger sigma_rho said...

TUGrad96,

I am probably too much an optimistic person. But Katrina has forced Tulane (or Scott Cowen) do certains things that were long overdue. Among other initiatives, the Tulane-sponsored Lusher school will play a significant role in recruiting the very best young professors to Tulane (or keeping the existing ones). So, I take this hurricane, with all its damages, as an opportunity to make Tulane a better school, New Orleans a much better city.

12:10 PM  
Blogger ncgwmom said...

Tuvadad, I think you may be confusing "staff" with "faculty." The two terms mean two very different things in universityland. I've been both, so I know. This really seems to be another case of people getting angry because of misunderstanding what's going on or not being willing to wait for what must shake out in a very tough situation. I hope things work out better for you and yours than you anticipate right now.

12:20 PM  
Blogger averyTHEdog said...

dadwhopays, since when can't alcoholics go into medicine? Or is it considered the norm to become an alcoholic after a few years of unappreciated practice, declining pay, increasing malpractice premiums and mortgage size student loans?

12:39 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

Dare to call me immature? dadwhopays, you have crossed the boundary by attacking my parents will to finance my education. My father died when I was 6, leaving my mother to raise 4 children in a trailer. She became so depressed that she eventually became addicted to heroine and died of an overdose when I was 16. I was placed in foster care for the remaining 2 years of my public education. So I suppose in part, you are right, if you were deceased, like my parents, you wouldn not be financing my education. I'll also have you know that I scored a 39 on the MCAT. Now that I've bared my soul for all on this silly message board to see, I hope you can relinquish your childish ways and try to act like the adult you are.

12:42 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

I do believe someone had asked about the status of leadership village, and I have bad news for you. I no longer currently have the link, but someone had posted photos on a gallery of a suite on the groundfloor of the leadership village, and everything was covered in mold. Even a metallic computer case had mold growing on it. I lived in the leadership village last year, and 1st floor rooms are not above the ground at all like new doris or irby, so I imagine flood water probably rose to similar levels as it did in aron, which was approximately 4 feet.

1:03 PM  
Blogger JSR said...

Wasn't the leadership village Wall? Or was the whole professor and his family in the dorm something else?

If it was Wall, then yeah, the first floor it trashed.

1:17 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

no the leadership village is an exlcusive dorm that is part of willow, and isn't very visible from mcalister. Behind willow A, B, and C is where the leadership village is situated. As most people understand, flooding was worst closest to claiborne, so I would imagine that damage in both aron and willow would be worse than wall, which was located behind the bubble/phelps.

1:23 PM  
Blogger Irate_NYMuslim said...

tulanemuslim- I personally don't know whether to believe that your mother died of a heroin overdose or not, but if she did than why would you be such an advocate of addiction to another drug, alcohol?

You are a hypocrite and, frankly, a moron for committing the same mistake that your mother did. Second of all, a true Muslim does not drink so please leave Allah out of your sermons for he who violates the dictates of Islam has no right to use Allah's name.

Dadwhopays, who could not have possibly known of your parents' fate (which I think you made up), was commenting about your despicable behavior and attitude. He/she felt it inappropriate for someone to expound such a philosophy of personal destruction and disregard for the future.

Your stereotype of the typical Tulane student is disgraceful, and you are a disgrace to this university. The chasm that exists between your calls for support for Tulane on the one hand and your propagation of a negative image of Tulane on the other precludes your having any credibility or real impact on this discussion.

Dadwhopays was on target in his/her post. I hope that after reading this post you take a serious look at yourself as well as reexamine the way in which you portray yourself, Tulane, and Islam.

2:19 PM  
Blogger jdyo said...

Has anybody who lives on the ground floor of Aron recieved a phone call yet about their stuff?

2:29 PM  
Blogger thanxi said...

tulanemuslim - i to have to agree with dadwhopays and tustudent2 and most importantly nymuslim...WHEW

while in colorado, it would not hurt to seek therapy.

i wish you much luck in any future endeavors.

2:33 PM  
Blogger averyTHEdog said...

seriously, tulane muzzy you are a douche bag

2:36 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

nymuslim, you see the problem with these blogs are the likes of yourself. I am mrerely disgusted with the overflow of negative energy that persists on this blog, regardless of the schism over what the draw to tulane is. Why must you attack me personally? Are you disatisfied with what one may consider a qualifying attraction to attend tulane university? duly noted, but please, we are all different people, and should be tolerant of one another. You prefer to support unsubstantiated assumptions made by a popmpous parent, when on the basest of levels I am only delineating what tulane students really attend tulane for. Bravo for trying to be the better man, but I believe someone had mentioned that the majority of Tulane students are not posting on the board, and dare I say it's because they have better things to do than entertain a myriad of frustrated students that can't utilize their common sense with regard to a bad situation. Or perhaps I would tend to think that those same students are engaged in their studies, so that their evening will be free for other activities. I have alluded to alcohol consumption yet again, but let's not acknowledge that not only is drinking a cornerstone of the Tulane atmosphere , but also one of the New Orleans culture that can't be disregarded. And next time you or anyone for that matter wishes to attack me personally, please do not waste other individuals valuable time. you can send a separate email to express your opinions to me at tulane.muslim@gmail.com . Howeverm if you have any genuine questions regarding tulane, where to go for the best specials or the best burritos in new orleans, I will be happy to answer your questions.

2:42 PM  
Blogger frustrateddad2 said...

TULANEMUSLIM SAYS THAT:
"I am only delineating what tulane students really attend tulane for."

MAN O MAN, REALLY TULANE MUSLIM?? IS THAT REALLY THE MAIN REASON....

BOW YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!

BRETT- DO U BELIEVE THIS GUY....

3:00 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

did you go to tulane frustrateddad?

3:08 PM  
Blogger jdyo said...

Any predictions about tomorrow's football game?

3:22 PM  
Blogger averyTHEdog said...

Billy H will destroy the other team. End of story.

3:36 PM  
Blogger dadwhopays said...

Tulanemuslim,

You said: I am financing my own education at tulane and my parents are too poor to even afford any kind of homeowners insurance, and I estimate my personal property losses at approximately 6,000 dollars.

I am quite confused because you speak about your parents as if they are living.??? I think your are busted!!!
If the truth is that you truly did lose your parents at such an early age then I do offer you my condolances. However, I too have had my share of untimely deaths to family members and I am raising my sister's children as a result because their father is an alcholic and irresponsible.

My son is a freshman and was lucky enough to go to a school that is equally prestigious if not moreso than Tulane. He can stay there if he chooses because he was accepted there initially. He is loving the academic challenges and intellectual stimulation. Don't get me wrong he his by no means nerdy, quite far from it but he is also pretty smart. He is confused about returning to Tulane and doesn't like the drinking scene much. In fact, the only reason that he is considering returning to Tulane was is to help and make a difference to the city. Your portrayal of abbusive drinking makes him never want to go to Tulane. That is a shame because we believe that TU is a wonderful university and support him in whatever decision he makes.

You can think that I am pompus if it makes you feel better, but the truth is I am a hard-working parent saving to send my son to the college of his choice. He has worked hard to get there and deserves it. You are giving Tulane a bad rap if your claim to fame is that they can out drink any other campus.
I don't wish to use this site as a vehicle to complain and have not posted until I read some ridiculous posts, yours the most!
Perhaps when you return you can get some counciling.

3:42 PM  
Blogger tuvadad said...

"Can you tell us your daughter's major please? I would like to compare the course offerings for her major before and after Katrina."

You totally missed that point of my post -- which is that neither my daughter, nor her parents, were prepared to be advised to transfer out of Tulane, because courses were not available. Either you are calling me a liar, in posting what I did, or you are presuming yourself to be more clever than my daughter's academic advisor, or you have nothing better to do than argue with and insult anyone unfortunate enough to have a bad experience with Tulane. In any case, I get the message. Don't Blog here.

I'll relay your sympathies that you think my daughter should withdraw, and spare everyone here her response.

4:15 PM  
Blogger PostNola.com said...

POSTNOLA.com completely supports Scott Cowen. We think he is doing a great job with this blog.

-PostNOLA

4:36 PM  
Blogger tuvadad said...

"Tuvadad, I think you may be confusing "staff" with "faculty." The two terms mean two very different things in universityland. I've been both, so I know. This really seems to be another case of people getting angry because of misunderstanding what's going on or not being willing to wait for what must shake out in a very tough situation. I hope things work out better for you and yours than you anticipate right now."

ncgwmom,

As one of the most rational and kind posters on the various Blogs, I know that you meant well when you posted this.

I know the differences between tenured faculty, non-tenured faculty, and staff. I know the differences between part-time and full-time.

I also know that different Universities have somewhat different ways of classifying their employees. At UVA, they assign hospital administrators, medical researchers, even department administrators and finance people to "faculty" positions, which have nothing at all to do with teaching or academics, other than UVA runs a large "teaching" hospital. Yet in academic areas, they do indeed have non-faculty assist, and even teach, courses -- engineering science, dance, business, and even physics., to name but a few.

The questions about faculty attrition was asked by students, mostly freshman. Unlike sigma_rho-it-all, here, I have no opinion as to whether the question should or should not have been asked. I found Dr. Cherry's answers to be less than forthright and honest. I expect as accurate a picture be presented as possible. Sigma_rho can twist my words, discount my account, or 'splain away Dr. Cherrey's words -- she said what she said, and the picture that evolved slowly is different than the one I left the Town Hall meeting with. Maybe "lying" is too strong a word, as it implies intent.

4:45 PM  
Blogger Ocatillo said...

Dadwhopays:
Your son does not have to drink a lot. My daughter learned to limit herself. She always had dorm mates asking her to go to eat, but did not still feel like she had a lot of friends. She,too, is service oriented. I am hopeful more Indigo Children like our kids will choose Tulane to make a difference.

6:17 PM  
Blogger greenwave said...

Just like every college there are people who drink a lot, people who drink a little, and people who don't drink at all. Almost every school has it's problems with alcohol abuse by some part of the student body. It might be heightened a little more at Tulane because of the role that alcohol plays in the culture of New Orleans, but that does not mean that drinking is necessary to fit in at Tulane. You don't have to drink yourself sloppy when you go to bars or parties. A lot of people drink in moderation and if you go to bars you will learn to or you will find yourself broke.

You don't have to drink either if you don't want to. No one forces you to drink if you don't want to. In fact there is a dorm set up especially for those who are substance free. I wish I could comment more on the substance free dorm but I really don't know a whole lot about it except that their rooms are much nicer than all of the other freshmen dorms.

6:41 PM  
Blogger tulane_muslim said...

At this point I am going to cease and desist with responding to any personal attacks, I provided a perspective, and suprisingly people disagree with me. I honestly did not expect that to happen, because I'm quite the ignoramus here. And apparently some people think I am a liar. My biological parents are in fact deceased, and I was referring to my adopted foster parents that could not afford homeowner's insurance. Bless them, for they've done so much for me. Regardless, let's bring this to an end, for I had no intentions of causing so much disruption on an already distraught blog. I would like for those out there to put aside their animosity and make the best of their respective situations. Is that a difficult task? I suppose for some individuals, whom we are all familiar with, this blog has engulfed them, and their ultimate objective has become to express a slew of negativity. I express my real honest opinion about what makes a Tulane student tick and I've earned nothing but backlash from a community that for the most part doesn't even attend tulane. I am glad that I havent been bestowed with such thoughtless parents, and have the self made financial freedom to make my own decisions regarding where to attend school and what activities I choose to conduct myself in at said school. I just hope that I haven't blown the whistle on the culture of vice that exists in new orleans thereby precluding any prospective students from returning to the university based on their parents' decisions. How many posters on this blog are indeed real students and not just frustrated parents with too much spare time? I'll have you know Tulane was rated the number 11 party school in the US by US World News and Report, and the vast majority of students would argue that the rating was too low. It's not because we're so enamored with oak trees and architecture (both of which are stunning features that accent the area) but rather because students have a penchant for evening activity. At this point I have nothing further to say, and please save everyone's time if you choose to disagree with me by not saying anything unless you have a valid argument that everyone can benefit from. Or better yet, stop subscribing to this blog full of rumors and vexed outbursts, sit back, enjoy a brew and enjoy what you have, rather than complain about what you don't.

11:08 PM  
Blogger ncgwmom said...

Just a small note of realism here: When I went to UF, it was ranked as the #1 party school by Playboy magazine, and I didn't know ANYONE who went there with the primary intention to drink themselves silly on a regular basis.

Thank you for your kind words, Tuvadad. I hope your daughter does NOT feel put off by any of the perhaps exaggerated responses that get posted on the 'net. I think we all know these things would be milder if we were all face-to-face.

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Blogger sigma_rho said...

Tuvadad,

Let's keep it very simple. You tell us your daughter's major, and I will compare the course listings for her major before and after Katrina. Another poster also asked the same question to you. I don't understand why you have been so evasive on her major. If Tulane indeeed is offering fewer courses as a result of Katrina, we can raise this issue to her department so it can resolved.

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Blogger jdyo said...

I think it's safe to say that tulanemuslim has destroyed any productive discussion that was going on here.

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Blogger RealityCheck said...

tulane_muslim said...

"At this point I am going to cease and desist with responding to any personal attacks, I provided a perspective, and suprisingly people disagree with me."

So you are surprised people disagreed with you. Gee, I can't imagine why.

"And apparently some people think I am a liar."

Welcome to the club.

"Regardless, let's bring this to an end, for I had no intentions of causing so much disruption on an already distraught blog."

So you give your opinions, and you don't expect people to disagree with you? You really do need a reality check.

"I suppose for some individuals, whom we are all familiar with, this blog has engulfed them, and their ultimate objective has become to express a slew of negativity."

Hardly, but then again everyone disagrees with you.

"I express my real honest opinion about what makes a Tulane student tick and I've earned nothing but backlash from a community that for the most part doesn't even attend tulane."

So more of the "I'm right, and everyone else is wrong" thinking.

"I just hope that I haven't blown the whistle on the culture of vice that exists in new orleans thereby precluding any prospective students from returning to the university based on their parents' decisions."

You think way to highly of yourself. That "culture of vice" was there long before you were born, and its hardly a secret.

"How many posters on this blog are indeed real students and not just frustrated parents with too much spare time?"

Frustrated by what? An unfair tuition policy? A lack of communication by the administration? A propaganda campaign by the administration? Conflicting and misinformation from the administration? Brainwashed students? Or a brown-nosing blog owner? Brett - sorry in advance.

At this point I have nothing further to say, and please save everyone's time if you choose to disagree with me by not saying anything unless you have a valid argument that everyone can benefit from. Or better yet, stop subscribing to this blog full of rumors and vexed outbursts, sit back, enjoy a brew and enjoy what you have, rather than complain about what you don't."

So you can't deal with a little discussion about the issues, you fold up your tent, hit the booze and go away. Bill W has a place for you at one of his meetings in the future.

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Blogger dadwhopays said...

jdyo & reality check

Thanks for the support! Thought maybe I was losing my mind.

Reality Check, I was wondering if you were at NYU on Saturday and what you thought.

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Blogger BootNRally said...

"Well gee wiz, I had NO IDEA New Orleans was such a crazy city!"

Man you guys are hilarious.

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dadwhopays said...

"Reality Check, I was wondering if you were at NYU on Saturday and what you thought."

I wasn't able to make it, I had a previous engagement.

I will be NOLA from Nov 5-7 to bring back SOME of my kid's stuff (not to clean out the room) and they said they were going to have some meetings at school.

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Blogger tuvadad said...

"sigma_rho said...
Tuvadad,

Let's keep it very simple. You tell us your daughter's major, and I will compare the course listings for her major before and after Katrina."

I've kept it simple, by ignoring your request.

The honest to God's truth is that a "simple" comparison of courses offered before and after does not address the problem, which is coming up with a course schedule which meets a varity of needs that go beyond just filling the basic requirement of taking four, or five, courses.

Fact is, to do what you propose to do, you don't need to know her major. Take the top 5 most common popular majors at Tulane, and do your "simple" minded course comparison, and report back. Tell us all that nothing has changed.

And, when you find Child Pyschology listed, enroll. "Know thyself."

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