Saturday, September 03, 2005

Show me the money

The big question on everyone's mind, where is the money? So every school is offering us free admission, going by the new policy "Do not charge tuition if the student has already paid tuition to the home institution; and if the student has not paid the home institution, charge the home institution's rate of tuition and remit that amount to the home institution." To be honest with you, I think we need to get a lawyer to decipher this jargon. Does this mean we will not be getting our money back if we do not attend class? Does this mean that we will have to pay full tuition if we attend to enroll part time or just take a few classes? (probably what I'm gonna do) Does this mean that we have to pay full tuition for a university that costs 1/5 the amount of Tulane? But most importantly, does this mean that "free admission" really isn't free? I have a lot of friends who are going "abroad" for free through Syracuse, or are going to a east coast school for free. Whats the point of doing that if we have to pay full tuition? MANY of the classes you will take probably won't transfer directly to the major you have. For example, if you go to a school and take General Education classes, but have a business major; you will be paying for an entirely worthless semester. Now, this is just my interpretation of the statement, but I really think its true.

Talk it over with your parents. Make sure they are willing to spend in the upwards of 40k for you to have this semester. If not, I still advocate getting a cool internship or working somewhere productive. Don't waste your money paying for a full semester if you aren't going to get a full semester's worth of credit. Let's get some info from Scott Cowen

195 Comments:

Anonymous smartin208 said...

I wonder if there is any way for TU to proceed this Fall with the graduate distant learning program?

4:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, from Cowen's statements, I think of all us are getting a real distance "learning" experience ALREADY.

Just not for free.

4:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...having my morning coffee...had to chuckle about needing a lawyer to decipher the jargon...my sentiments exactly...our daughter is a senior this year ...as you know, the courses are more specific to the major and would be hard to coordinate somewhere else with Tulane requirements...and on top of it she is a double major...so her feeling this week has been to wait and see...and accept that she will probably go another semester...unless they can offer some summer classes at Tulane (they normally have very little upper level to chose from)and perhaps help people play catch-up a little in the summer...financially she is screwed...she has lived and worked in NOLA for the last 3 years year-round...has her own place...and we are pretty sure she lost everything..she left with just the clothes on her back..as I'm sure alot of people were lucky to do considering what those poor people are going through now...and we are grateful for that...but financially it is a challenge...and I cant imagine that another school will honor her scholarship/aid...so even though going someplace else sounds nice..it doesn't seem like a good idea unless you can truly go for "free" whatever that is, and the classes are transferrable...she has decided to work in our small family business for the semester...learn something about it hands-on/job experience...and recover financially...Mentally, she said she is not ready to just pick up and go to another school, she just lost everything...she wants to see what shakes out for Spring...she wants her degree from Tulane where she has worked for it....hopefully they will accomodate seniors/upperclassmen that want to finish there, they are in a different situation than others, I think...as well as med/law students...with housing help if they have lost their off-campus housing...yes, take care of the freshman/future students...but try to help the seniors/upperclassmen finish what they have started...My heart goes out to the administration...it will certainly be a challenge...good luck to you...we will continue to read your comments, thank you

4:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm hoping the tuition will apply to the spring semester. Surely room and board. I am a freshman parent and worked very hard convincing my husband that Tulane was where our son really needed to be. Boy, what bad luck!

5:52 AM  
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6:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had questions about the comments on the tuition also and went back to re-read Cowen's letter. The information on tuition is actually in the letter from the Gulf Coasts presidents, and refers to those being the guidelines that the effected colleges are urging the other gulf coast colleges adher to. It doesn't indicate they will. It is a letter only from the member colleges along the gulf coast.

So, as far as I can tell, all bets are off regarding tuition being waived at other colleges.

http://emergency.tulane.edu/ace.htm

While their immediate needs include very basic items like phone service, power, and dry office space, each of these presidents is greatly concerned about the long term financial impact Katrina will have on their institution. Specifically, they are urging colleague institutions enrolling their students to do the following:


Admit students only on a visiting or provisional basis, so that they remain students of their home institution;


Do not charge tuition if the student has already paid tuition to the home institution; and if the student has not paid the home institution, charge the home institution's rate of tuition and remit that amount to the home institution;

Certainly other fees, including room and board, would be charged by the host institution as appropriate.


I don't think getting a lawyer to help is a bad idea. With $40,000 at stake, it may be worthwhile.

If you temporarily withdraw from classes at Tulane now, you should receive 100% credit for tuition, and you can apply that to the tuition at the new school. Would Tulane reinstate you next semester? I should hope so.

Federal loans and scholarship money and plus loans should be transferable to the new university as well. Our next steps will be to talk to the financial aid office at the temporary school.

There are some options that would not effect any change in tuition. The semester abroad through Syracuse. I've heard they're applying the credits tuition etc. back to Tulane. The American University semester in DC. I have to find out if they have comparable courses to those at Tulane, but I suspect they do.


My son also got out with just the clothes on his back. We will see what insurance options or FEMA options may be available, if any, in time.

For now, we're glad he is alive and safe at home.

I found lots of information on colleges accepting students from the gulf state schools effected by the storm here. The Tulane daily jolt blog. View the link to a discussion on schools.

http://tulane.dailyjolt.com/forum/read.html?id=9323

There is a summary list available here, in fact the most comprehensive list I've seen. Is there anyplace not taking Tulane students?

http://o4sabk.blogspot.co


There is also a forum where they're keeping a list of professors and staff who are still missing or located. It may also be of interest to everyone.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lastulane/

6:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Tulane would have much better luck keeping their students if they gave refunds and didn't ask other schools to charge their tuition.

7:09 AM  
Anonymous tulane freshman said...

I enrolled as a visiting student at SMU in Dallas, and from what I understand, they are waiving tuition fees for everyone affected. They waived the meal plan fee (normally $1850), and also waived the parking fee ($50).

So, I believe there have to be more schools taking it upon themselves to make this easier on all of the displaced students and their families by waiving many of the fees charged to a regular student. I urge people to ask as many questions as possible about the financial package each school they are interested in is giving.

7:13 AM  
Anonymous Suzanne J. Walker said...

To Tulane students in the Bay Area:

I am an assistant professor of art history at Tulane, and I will shortly be relocating to Aptos, near Santa Cruz. I encourage any Tulane students who find themselves in the Bay Area this fall to contact me. I'm happy to serve as an informal adviser and do whatever I can to help all of us get through this difficult time. I am attempting to establish a formal position as a liaision, but if that doesn't work out, I'm still avialable for conversation and coffee.

Disclaimer: I was supposed to begin my job at Tulane this fall, so I'm not the most knowledgable person to contact! But I would welcome the opportunity to help create a sense of community for those of us who are stranded by the Pacific (which is not such a bad place to be).

Sincerely,
Dr. Suzanne Walker
suzanne.walker@gmail.com

7:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are very worried about the money.

Clarity and transparency - and fairness - is needed on the financial side. A full refund of tuition and R&B should be made by Tulane in a timely manner, since the semester did not even start, to any student who is not going to be able to enroll in a full time course of study elsewhere as a transient. There should be no delay in the refund. Tulane should give parents the OPTION to apply the Fall 2005 tuition, R&B payments to the Spring 2006 semester IF the parent wishes; it is impossible to say what the future livability of New Orleans will be in just 5 months - and Tulane's condition.

Tulane owes us a process.

Many students may opt for 2 or 3 courses if their hometown schools cannot meet Tulane requirements for upperclassmen. Many students will be starting having missed 3 weeks of school - and the ability to take a full course load and TRULY LEARN will be not really there. Some may try to work. Some may try to get an internship. Could Tulane professors help supervise internships from afar?

We pray for all impacted and hurt for the Tulane family.

7:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I estimate Tulane is holding about fifty million dollars in fall tuition and room and board. I would like to see FEMA give Tulane four times that money IMMEDIATELY so that Tulane can offer students refunds or reimbursements to their host institutions (that money is legally yours right now, not Tulane's; Tulane is just its custodian) AND pay its profs and hospital staff; otherwise the staff will leave and the school will only exist in name. Anyone who is in a postion of influence, please push for that.

8:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This may seem trivial but beyond the 40k we are paying for tuition, what about the expenses we have to pay to replace all the stuff left in our houses/dorms. We can't go to college or work with no clothes and other personal belonging.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the last post. I think since Tulane is the biggest employer in the city, the government should help it out. Tulane is likely going to lose more students by not letting go of the money. Maybe there could also be a private NOLA hurricane relief fund just for Tulane.

8:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to confirm that SMU in Dallas is accepting Katrina displacements for no fee whatsoever. No fees to the parents or to Tulane. We were told that they know Tulane will need their funds to keep the staff intact and rebuild. The SMU staff that worked with us was incredibly patient and understanding and made every effort to get the students in the classes they needed to fulfill their credits. SMU's decision to offer this situation was made before any announcements were made. My daughter attended her first class yesterday and her prof could not have been more willing to make her feel welcome and assured her that the three weeks of classes she's already missed will not hold her back in the class. SMU deserves a vast amount of thanks for their generosity and compassion for our students during this stressful time.

8:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't we have several hundreds of million dollars in the tulane fund? i remember reading in the hullabolu (not sure of spelling) that we had something like $600 million in our fund after getting that huge donation from the yahoo and netscape guys. tulane is far from broke and i think that federal funds should be used more appropriately to the people who truly need it to survive.

8:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"something like $600 million in our fund after getting that huge donation from the yahoo and netscape guys"

If that's the case, Tulane should really rethink what they're doing with tuition. Maybe the president could take a salary cut too to help out.

8:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FEMA is set up to help people, to save lives ruined by disaster. It is not designed as a Federal bail-out for poorly managed Universities with failed leadership.

I would ditto many of the comments here. Our kids survived with just the clothes on their back, and with NO HELP from Tulane. Volunteers on campus for orientation, they were held to the last minute, given ZERO consideration by the powers that be. They were fortunate to get out. Period.

The expenses and dislocations borne by students and their parents are significant. That is true whether you are an incoming Freshman, or a rising Senior, or a Grad student, faculty or staff. It is arrogant to the max that Cowen see anyone less fortunate than another. And it is piss poor that he support policies which undo the good will extended freely and generously by other institutions.

The leadership void in New Orleans and Loiusiana is readily apparent. Not only can they not help themselves, they cannot accept help.

Now, I know the tone of my note is unusually harsh, and maybe I do have it all wrong, but ask yourselves this. What were they thinking? When they continued to take students in even as the storm was bearing in on New Orleans? When they bussed themselves and student refugees to Jackson directly into the storm's path? When they put together a lame emergency website with non-informational blurbs from a reality-challenged President? And, as for the policy coming from outside the University, how naive! What other large private institution is taking the hit that Tulane is? Believe me, it IS, and ALWAYS has been, about the money. And that is sad.

I guarantee, this is just the tip. Do you really believe that faculty and staff will be taken care of? That that is where "lost" tuition monies would go? Nope. Not a chance.

President Cowen, you need to spend less time with your lawyers and consortiums and more time running a fine academic institution. You need to devote time to doing what is right, compassionate, and fair. Not only is that the Golden Rule, but it is great business sense.

Trust that the Alumni, and others, will step up to save the institution, not on the backs of displaced students and their families, but from a position of well-being, generosity, pride.

I can think of hundreds of institutions who naturally would do whatever they can to help, even financially. does one really believe that a Harvard, or a Duke, or a Cornell, or a University of Chicago, would allow Tulane to disappear? That a school like Virginia, a public University that can raise hundreds of millions to build new campuses and sports arenas, wouldn't find a way to help raise emergency funds for Tulane? You bet they would!

So stop blowing smoke where the sun doesn't shine, get real, and be the man. Or that piece of paper with a Tulane emblem is just some very expensive wallpaper.

8:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd ditto the SMU comment for the University of Virginia. They had a plan operational by late wednesday, and kids enrolled in classes and attending by the end of the week. And they are proactively looking at what more they can do. Not just for Tulane, not just for undergraduates, but in every way for the storm stricken areas.

I don't think anyone needs to be singled out for thanks, because I suspect this is the rule not the exception (though I heard rumors that NYU and Columbia were put off initially).

As an alum, I am embarassed by the response thus far from the administration. That is not the spirit of Tulane that I know and respect.

8:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the last comment... FYI your kids survived because of Tulane, it was not until Saturday afternoon that the storm was def headed to NOLA, as of Friday night it was going to Pensacola. Once Tulane realized what was going on they put the kids on busses and sent to the Jackson... the only place that can hold all the kids and is SAFE! I mean unless you want them in a hotel that could easily collapse (that's your call). And as for Cowen, he couldnt make any decisions until New Orleans it self knew what was going on... Sorry Tulane is not a city in and of itself, it is PART of New Orleans. Cowen has no control over what goes on in the city, he is the President of Tulane. Also while you may have lost out on $16,000 (cost of a semester... although Im sure Cowen will set something up, that was not his main concern at the time, it was more of his students and staff... who are people) some people lost EVERYTHING. Why dont you just be happy that your kids are safe and worry about the money situation when it comes to it. Cowen will make something happen. I dont think tuition is the first on his mind, it is prb the people, who are living things and can not be replaced. For all who are griping about tuition, yes, I pay full tuition (no help from Tulane) so possibly my parents may have lost a semester of money, but I know that they would lose that money again as long as I was safe and alive.... I personally hope that is how other people's families are too. Just remember some people lost everything... incld family, I think that we can stand to wait some time to see what is going on with $16,000

9:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please, please tulane, tell us who have students paying for school with work study , loans and financial aid (as well as outside merit scholarships that require academic progress for renemwal) what to do! It's going to take all my family can do just to help my kid get home (she is still on the other side of the country with a roomates family) and of course, she has lived in New Orleans for 2 years and everything she owns is in Uptown N.O.(maybe). Not all Tulane parents are wealthy. Some of us are just working people trying to scrape by on less than what a year at tulane costs!

9:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a horrific situation for everyone involved for any number of different reasons. I can understand the panic, fear and outbursts coming from poor, uneducated people who have lost literally everything, but I'm so very disappointed at the negative response from a handful of supposedly educated people. I fully understand and identify with the experience of having a $40k tuition floating in limbo, particularly since I also have another child currently in college. However, shouldn't we step back and look at the fact that we are in a position, regardless of tight how that position might be, that enabled us to even write those checks in the first place. Some of you are dangerously close to sounding extremely arrogant. If you think you're head is ready to explode worrying about one student, think about how Scott Cowen must feel. He will undoubtedly make decisions that some agree with and others do not, but I think that he agonizes over every decision he makes and he's doing the best he can given the circumstances. Lighten up and get some perspective beyond your own little space.

9:17 AM  
Anonymous Lauren Streifer said...

Brett, this post is way too dramatic. The Syracuse program, which I'm probably doing, is an accredited program. I went to Australia abroad through another university last semester and all of my credits transferred to Tulane without a problem BEFORE the hurricane (so why would they be reluctant to accept credits Now?). I have not one doubt in my mind that under these circumstances, especially in light of the fact that Tulane admin really really wants students to return eventually and acknowledges our concerns, that they will accept all credits from programs like this and other four year uni's.

And to my knowledge, Syracuse will be accepting financial aid for program fees which is a huge help for some people, including myself.

It goes without saying that business kids should find business courses and architecture kids would study architecture, doesn't it? unless they are making up liberal arts credit.

9:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you're coming close to sounding arrogant by assuming these people are only worrying about one student. Some of those people that wrote those checks may also be New Orleans residents that lost everything. Get some perspective beyond your little space and realize that this isn't fair and Tulane probably has far more money than the people paying for it.

9:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I can understand the panic, fear and outbursts coming from poor, uneducated people who have lost literally everything, but I'm so very disappointed at the negative response from a handful of supposedly educated people."

All I can say is get a grip. Don't assume that you know anything about other people's experiences, which surely you do not. I'm glad you feel so fortunate.

A lot of folks are working mighty hard in my neck of the woods to help. If Dr. Cowen deserves criticism, let him hear it. Deserved or not, he's a big boy.

The tuition policy is not a trivial issue, and certainly not one reserved to the "poor and undeducated", or "supposedly well-educated".

Stifling discussion, after all, is not what a Blog, nor higher education, is about.

10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Definitely communication from the university has not been optimal.

The decision making process also doesn't seem to be good.

Instead of prevaricating, they should assure people they will be made whole either through refunds or, at the student's option, through vouchers to other institutions.

This is so clear to me. This is how to keep faith.

And its true, there is an endowment. they probably want it to rebuild, but if you don't have faith, there will be nothing to rebuild.

They are overemphasizing the sports, and even the ncaa has a subtle criticism of this on its website.

10:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEAR TULANE ADMINISTRATION:

AS PARENTS WE URGE YOU TO HIRE A STRONG CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS EXPERT ASAP...PERHAPS THE NETSCAPE GUYS CAN GET YOU YOUR OWN BLOGS, ETC.

YOUR CONSTITUENCIES NEED INFORMATION AND WE ARE POWERFUL ALLIES AND SUPPORTERS TO HELP YOU, THE CITY, AND THE SUFFERING SOULS.

THIS IS A VERY LONG TERM CRISIS HERE - WE CARE ABOUT ALL IMPACTED. OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS INCLUDED - AND THEIR FINE SCHOOL AND ALL ITS PEOPLE.

10:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who has been working and helping to plan Orientation 05 for over a year, I would like to comment on this post that was made earlier:

"Volunteers on campus for orientation, they were held to the last minute, given ZERO consideration by the powers that be. They were fortunate to get out. Period."

We did not force the volunteers to stay. The ones that did stay were of great help but they were in no way forced or obligated to stay. I was on campus until 6p.m. on Saturday taking down signs and helping with last minute things. I did not leave New Orleans until late that night. We are indeed fortunate to have gotten out so let's just leave it at that.

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess this is living proof why we've been dubbed the "me" generation...so sad.

10:54 AM  
Blogger CTDAD said...

anybody heading up to Syracuse need a roommate

10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Tulane,

I'm really glad (and not surprised)that Tulane keeps going strong even if its only through a blog for the time being, which should maybe be renamed The Boot. I am also really glad to hear about all of the support efforts being carried out by tulane students, like Operation New Orleans. I would like to expand upon these relief efforts but I need your help. I know at least for myself that donating money is not good enough. In the coming months I hope to make it down to New Orleans to help rebuild the school and the city that I love so much. I am trying to get in contact with the administration to see if they will house and feed (on campus) Tulane students who want to volunteer on campus and around the city but since the website is down I can't reach anyone. Does anyone have any emails or phone numbers of some administration members who can help me out? I doubt right now that I would be able to get in contact with Scott Cowen himself although that would be great, because why not go to the source of the power. I also want to start collecting the names and contact information of students who are serious about coming down to New Orleans to help out. I think we owe this to our school but more importantly to the city that doesn't realize just how much we Tulane students love and appreciate it and all its characters. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

email: anthony_477@yahoo.com
cellphone: 914 447 6559

- Anthony Ruffino '04

11:01 AM  
Blogger Tulane Tracker said...

a lot of people are pretty upset and i don't think there's any reason to condemn that. everyone, from freshman who had just arrived on tulane's campus to people who have lived in the poorest parts of the city their entire lives, has been greatly impacted by this mess. reacting with anger and frustration is completely natural. many of us have returned to communities that were not affected by the storm, which makes it even harder to find people who understand what we're going through. we have to allow ourselves to be upset, and we have to be understanding of one another. we should also rememebr that the tulane administration was also taken by surprise, and they are working as hard as they can. they are dealing with a staff and faculty that is largely homeless. i'm sure they have lost many records. there's a solid chance they will lose many students. they, like us, must be feeling pretty alone and helpless right now.
i think it's healthy to be angry. there are many reasons to be angry. but for people who are angry, i hope you might consider taking the next few months to volunteer within your home community or within and area where refugees are staying. one of the first steps to getting a handle on this emotional ride is doing something proactive. we are all a part of the new orleans community, and now is a great time to consider what we can give back.

emily

11:04 AM  
Anonymous Andrew Herman said...

The panic of students about plans is understandable, the panic of parents is unacceptable. It is absurd to think that Tulane, given time, will not have a plan that will access each individuals students needs. Tulane is one of the nations leading universities in financial aid, both through scholarships and need based grants. I am sure President Cowen is well aware of the financial strain this disaster will place on much of the Tulane community. It is not humanly possible to consider each individual immediately. Decisions made now must consider the Tulane community as a whole. Over time the University will have an opportunity to deal with decisions on an individual basis.

11:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another thing to think about as you plan this next semester...if you are covered under your parent's health insurance, you should read your policy carefully. To remain covered, many require young adults to either be a full-time student OR not hold a full-time job.

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a thought...remember the statement we read online yesterday is NOT a Tulane-specific policy. It is an agreement negotiated for ALL 30 universities affected by the tragedy. Clearly, these institutions have varying means and resources, but Tulane is probably among the best endowed. I think it is likely that Tulane will be able to do more for its students financially than other institutions (i.e. refund or reduce tuition). In fact, I actually suspect the provision everyone is worried about was made so that students at less expensive institutions would not have to pay MORE than their ususal tuition to attend an alternative school. Before we freak out over "losing" 40k or paying too much for the fall term, I would see what information is forthcoming about Tulane-specific financial arrangements. The scope of this tragedy is simply incomprehensible for our school, our city and the people of New Orleans. Details may not come as quickly as we want them to, but they will come. Patience is small suffering in light of what others are facing right now including many Tulane students, faculty and staff.

11:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's what I'd like to know. Let's say I go to another institution for the fall. When will my loan money be deposited into my checking account? Is Tulane going to pay the interest for the period that they hold student's money? Why is the silence from the Tulane administration so deafening?

11:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not happy with Tulane. We have been given no real information. Our educations are on the line here and they are more worried about their own asses. I will hire an attorney if they do not refund money for my fall semester.

11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Tulane parent I am glad Dr. Cowan posted the information yesterday. Our son has both scholarship money and financial aid. I have taken a federal parent loan to pay the parent portion of my son's expenses for this year. My current student and parent loan debt load is over $100,000. I have no means to pay additional money for my son to attend another college this semester. For example, Syracuse University was offering free tuition but had no campus housing available. It would be impossible for me to pay off campus housing this year, so we gave up on Syracuse. Fortunately, with this new policy my son has the possiblility of finding a college that does offer room and board and we will not have to worry about coming up with additional funds.

12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I'm really sorry to post this as it's kind of inappropriate, but does anyone know a Claire Chilton? I don't even know if she was still *attending* Tulane, OR living in LA, but as of 2002, I know she was.

I'm sort of an estranged friend from years ago... and have no way to contact her or her parents in Texas. I'm living in Oregon at the moment, too, which makes it hard for me to track anyone down.

If anyone can tell me that they know for sure that she's ok or not, please email wickedflower@gmail.com.

Thank you.

Elizabeth

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an unprecedented situation and unfortunately no one, even Dr. Cowen can give us the answers we would like.

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brett,

Could you post this question on the main blog, in case President Cowen is reading it:

President Cowen,

How will Tulane coordinate with schools that are not on the semester system, with regard to credits, tuition, etc.? For example, will students get a full semester's credit if they go to a school on the quarter system? Will students be expected to pay a full semester's tuition to Tulane but receive less than a full semester's credit?

Thanks!

12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The quote that you listed isn't as difficult to understand as you make it sound. I thought Tulane students were smart enough to understand simple English... Students who have paid Tulane will not be expected to pay the institution they transfer to. If they haven't paid Tulane, they will pay their new institution the same amount that they would have been expected to pay Tulane. Essentially, payment will remain the same as if they were still attending Tulane.

Furthermore, Tulane has already agreed to be extremely flexible on credit transfers. They're telling students to take classes as similar as possible to the ones they were registered for at Tulane, and they will accept whatever the student can get. There's no need to freak out about not getting a full semester's credit.. You will.

Don't be so reactive and angry.. Your school, and many other schools, are trying to help you, not hurt you.

12:42 PM  
Blogger michelle said...

my name is michelle schultz. i was supposed to be in the pharmacology this fall at tulane but i have no idea what i'm supposed to do. i think pharmacology and other specialized majors are too specific to go everywhere else and have any hope of transferring classes. if anyone knows any thing about that let me know- michelleinpharmacology@hotmail.com thanks

12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Case reaches out to Tulane University students displaced by hurricane Katrina
Offer allows students of New Orleans institution to continue education this semester

September 2, 2005 | For more information: Laura M. Massie (216)-368-4442

In response to Hurricane Katrina, Case Western Reserve University is offering discounted tuition and other benefits to Tulane University students who would like to continue their college studies this semester.

Tulane University’s president, Scott Cowen, is a former dean of Case’s Weatherhead School of Management. In an effort to assist Tulane University students to continue pursue their educational goals this fall, Case will offer the following assistance:

* A 50 percent tuition waiver (based on full-time student tuition rate)
* Permission to register for courses at Case as non-degree students for fall semester
* Refunded tuition if Tulane students are required to pay tuition at their home university
* Room and board at the regular rate (non-refundable)
* Linearly pro-rated tuition and room/board costs, if students are able to return to Tulane before the end of the semester

Students must complete their non-degree applications and be registered for classes by September 9. For more information, contact Lynmarie Hamel, Case’s interim assistant dean for undergraduate studies, at (216) 368-2928 or via e-mail at ugstudies@case.edu.

12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Students of Tulane, I'm a fellow student who graduated from Georgia Tech and is now in a very good school in the north for my graduate degree, and I wanted to share a bit of advice to you. I know it's in your kind nature to want to look out for your university and your city, and I applaud your efforts. In the mess of the moment though, do not forget that you are simply at Tulane to get an education. School spirit is NOT part of Maslow's hierarchy, and I urge you to look out for YOURSELF and your future first. You have already seen a firsthand account of how the government has left some of its citizens to rot, dehydrate, and die, and until you have guarantees IN WRITING to secure your future, i suggest you look out for your education. If you can afford to spend a semester doing absolutely nothing while spending money on daily expenses then I have nothing to say to you. For those students who are struggling with jobs, difficult majors, and other family problems, I suggest you just up and leave.
In the end, a few people may be compassionate to the fact that your education was damaged by a hurricane, but also realize that when you graduate, you will be competing against students who have had no difficulty, and the compassion you receive will not secure your jobs.

I've said these things as an older sister figure because I've seen a lot more life than most of the undergraduates at Tulane. Secure your own situation first and have a SOLID plan in your hands, THEN start worrying about how you can help the university and your old city. These are your lives, so please do not gamble with them.

12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

two things...I wrote the original parent comment about the financial strain of jumping into another institution purely as a comment about our own family situation and the fact that there are many students who cannot afford to move to another school...it was not really intended as a criticism...but purely as a statement that seniors in particular really are limited to courses required to finish your degree vs courses offered by other fine and very generous institutions which although they may be accepted by Tulane for credit, may not fulfill degree/major requirements...for us, the financial burdens are too much right now to replace everything and pay for room and board somewhere else...AND our daughter still remains optimistic and loyal to Tulane after being there for 3 years...so she has opted to give up the semester and wait to see what Dr. Cowen and the administrators plan to do...as part of the decision process originally...wasn't Tulane chosen because of its fine academics, faculty, staff and ever-expanding facilities?...I really have to believe that they will come up with a plan that works for everyone...and why wouldn't they? The entire country is watching what happens to us/Tulane...AND...having a degree from an institution that handles adversity with class and compassion for their students and the city of New Orleans will only benefit the institution (yes, it IS a business)as well as those who hold a Tulane degree...again...we have to be patient as hard as that is...and hope that they can get the rest of those poor people out of the city soon and begin to rebuild...good luck to everyone...

1:26 PM  
Blogger Herman said...

To the last post. It that selfish, look out for yourself attitude, that has left behind so many American citizens, both before (in poverty) and in the aftermath of Katrina.

In times such as these it is loyalty, unity, and compassion that keeps peoples hopes alive.

As to the comment about our educations and the job market. We "will be competing against students who have had no difficulty, and the compassion you receive will not secure your jobs." I see this as a positive. Struggling through times as these is what makes individuals stronger, makes those competing in the job market stand out. I am sure the compassion we receive will not secure us jobs, but the experience will. Student who stick it out, stand loyal, work to rebuild the University and the city, will always be the Tulane graduates who helped rebuild one of America's greatest educational instituations, one of Louisiana's biggest employers (an therefore an essential piece to the United States economy), and the best city in the country. REMAIN STRONG AND YOU WILL BE BETTER FOR IT.

All those talking about experience, and being wise with age, clearly haven't exhibited an understand of how growth works.

1:34 PM  
Blogger Utena39 said...

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2:03 PM  
Blogger Utena39 said...

I concur.

I was to begin study in the School of Public Health's Tropical Medicine program this semester.

I have gotten offers to begin at other schools, to transfer into other programs despite the recent letter.

I have ultimately refused.

No, this doesn't make logical sense if we are to employ the rules of the "Me First" generation.

I came to Tulane because of the fine education I would receive at the school of public health. More importantly, I came because of that school's history as being one of the greatest contributors to advancements in public health in this nation. That reputation will undoubtedly be renewed in Katrina's wake.

We've been thrust into a situation envied by no one and can do one of two things:

Run.

Or put a new shine to Tulane's crest, and stay.

I will stay - and remember the incoming class of '05 that stayed as those who not even Mother Nature could break.

Jennifer Lizcano

2:07 PM  
Blogger MM said...

anyone else feel like they are in a black hole because its Labor Day weekend?

2:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My son is a sophomore at Tulane. He had a fabulous Freshman year and has no interest in commuting for the semester to a state school that he rejected even though Tulane was more than twice as expensive. This is in large part because he is very loyal to Tulane and wants to spend all 8 of his college semesters there. He has been working hard to line up one or more jobs to support himself and, he hopes, provide a positive, "real world" eductional experience until Tulane reopens (we fervently hope) in January.

Based on the comment from Dr. Brady above, as well as common sense that Tulane would not want to alienate its most loyal supporters, we are fairly confident that at a minimum students will be allowed to roll over their Fall tuition and room and board to the Spring semester.

But I believe it is absolutely critical that a policy such as this be clearly articulated very soon. After all, alternative schools are well underway, and the lack of resoultion is causing unnecessary hard feelings.

This certainly does not mean that I don't care deeply about what is happening to the city and its residents, or that I don't empathize with how difficult a job President Cowen has right now. But we just couldn't afford to have $20,000 go down the drain and still pay for the rest of his education. Assuming Tulane does handle this matter fairly, as I am confident it will, I and I am sure many others will make contributions to the college--we have a strong interest in its survival.

2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any news or comments about University College students? I've paid a lot for tuition and one of my classes I can only take through the University College.

2:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for providing the information that you have. The university has not done a good job of keeping their emergency site up to date. I've yet to see an official announcement specifically directing students to make alternate arrangements for fall. However, confusing as it all is, the response from other universities to take in Tulane students, provide housing and not profiting by it, is pretty amazing. I for one am glad that our daughter has options.

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a tulane freshman and I want to end up graduating from Tulane. But for this semester I'd like to go to some other school until Tulane re-opens.

Only thing is, I also happen to live in New Orleans and thus need room/board to whatever university I can go to.

Unfortunately alot of these universities are not offering room/board. Anyone know of any decent universities that are offering room/board?

Thanks guys, and great blog. Very informative.

To the frustrated parents/students, it'll get better with time. This is a confusing time for a lot of people, just be thankful that you and your family are safe. The money and stuff does not compare to a human life, so just give it time and I'm sure all your questions will be answered eventually.

2:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will take awhile for all this financial stuff to settle down. The "home tuition" policy was probably established to try to assure students that they would have to pay NO MORE than their home institution tuition. It WILL get worked out.

Find yourselves a college near your home and have a live at home semester. Alternatively, seek a college that can give you the credits you need in the field you need. Go to www.hurricanehousing.org - or any other organization doing the same thing - and find a volunteer host family that can house you for a semester. When you land, find any Tulane alumni in your town; most will be glad to lend some sort of a hand.

People all over the country are looking for ways to help. Don't be too proud to ask for it. Your life may never have been in danger - because you got out - but you are still a "survivor".

Tulane alum in OR

2:47 PM  
Blogger Herman said...

To the last post. I have heard Cornell University, in Ithica New York is offering room and board, all you have to do is show up on Tuesday. Im not 100% sure of the details and that may be too far for you, but its worht a call.

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Case Western Reserve University is offering discounted tuition and other benefits to Tulane University students who would like to continue their college studies this semester.

Tulane University’s president, Scott Cowen, is a former dean of Case’s Weatherhead School of Management. In an effort to assist Tulane University students to continue pursue their educational goals this fall, Case will offer the following assistance:

* A 50 percent tuition waiver (based on full-time student tuition rate)
* Permission to register for courses at Case as non-degree students for fall semester
* Refunded tuition if Tulane students are required to pay tuition at their home university
* Room and board at the regular rate (non-refundable)
* Linearly pro-rated tuition and room/board costs, if students are able to return to Tulane before the end of the semester

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

with regards to Herman's post:

'"To the last post. It that selfish, look out for yourself attitude, that has left behind so many American citizens, both before (in poverty) and in the aftermath of Katrina."

...I am assuming you are referring to the post from Georgia Tech...and not the last post which appears to be from a loyal Tulane family...
Also...with regard to the Health Insurance post...thank you...it is something many of us probably have not considered either...
...perhaps a quick tally/post of what other students are going to do this semester would help others and the administration...

2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"a few people may be compassionate to the fact that your education was damaged by a hurricane,"

As long as Tulane can start back within a reasonable amount of time, I don't see why our educations are going to be damaged. I think an education finished a semester or year late is just as good as one finished sooner.

3:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It has been most appreciated that Dr. Cowen has made continuous effort to keep Tulane undergrads apprised of workings within the university. However, the medical school administration has not been as forth coming. No official word can be found as to what is happening with the medical school.
Dr. Cowen, or Tulane School of Medicine official, PLEASE asap, post what you are working on. Are you too canceling this fall term?

3:07 PM  
Blogger Herman said...

I believe any important information about any of the school within Tulane Univerrsity is at the now up and running website www.tulane.edu

And, I was referring to the GTech post, someone just happened to post in between the two.

3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the parent of a Tulane student, I am very concerned by the 'guidelines for temporary enrollment'. I sincerely hope that Pres. Cowen and the rest of the senior leadership team are not putting anything ahead of the best interests of their students.

My son, like many other Tulane students, has lost everything except the clothes on his back. He worked two jobs this summer to furnish his apartment in New Orleans, and it's gone.

We've incurred costs for his evacuation, hotels and meals while waiting for Tulane to cancel the semester, and then to fly him home. He needs to replace everything from clothes and books to his computer and calculator to go to school this fall. He has lost his job. He now needs a car to commute to school from our home. I could go on and on, as new expenses are emerging every day.

We have offered our home to house another displaced Tulane student who is considering taking courses in our area. While this will certainly be another expense for us, we wouldn't even consider charging 'the home institution's rate'. Who could do that to kids in this position ?

The bottom line is that my son, and many of your students, are seriously hurting - mentally and financially.

Going forward, students will decide whether or not to return to Tulane based on the status of the university and the city, as they did when selecting Tulane in the 1st place. I sincerely hope that the leadership team recognizes that fact.

As a Tulane parent, I am seriously dismayed by the implication that Tulane is even considering holding paid tuition and fees hostage. That is neither leadership nor the way to retain a loyal student body.

Pres. Cowen needs to close this issue in his next communication by clearly stating that Tulane is refunding all monies paid as soon as possible. And that the senior leadership team is committed to helping Tulane students impacted by Hurricane Katrina in every possible way, starting with the pursuit of reduced or free tuition at other schools. They need to demonstrate their leadership by helping students successfully complete their college educations, hopefully at Tulane but potentially elsewhere if that is best for the student.

3:21 PM  
Anonymous Amanda Hart said...

Just providing some information for you:

I attend Tufts University in Medford, Massachusetts. A couple of days ago, all current students received an email from Lawrence Bacow, the president of Tufts. He told us that since we are sister schools with Tulane, we will be offering free tuition for this semester for anyone wanting to be a visiting student on our campus from Tulane.

I know MA is pretty far for some of you, but I do urge you to contact Tufts University ASAP if it might be of interest. :)

"The intent of this program is simply to allow Tulane students to
progress academically. Tufts will not charge tuition to the
students, but will collect fees for Tulane if tuition balances are
due. The funds in turn will be returned to Tulane when the
university resumes operations. Tulane will need these resources as
they seek to rebuild their campus."

The Office of Undergraduate Admissions is dealing with this program, so they'd be the people to contact.

I hope this has been some help to you!

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Freshman's Parent - While we are in the same situation having paid money and the uncertainty of what will happen, I find it amazing the people are so selfish to and blatently nasty when all they are out for a while is money! Scott Cowen has more than enough other things to be concerned with right now, including the safety of his own family, and the staff and employees and their families of Tulane along with trying to understand what the real situation is in NOLA. It will be weeks before anyone will have any realistic idea of a timetable or timeline for the Tulane and the city in general. Everyone should be thankful that they made it out safely and are able to be around to even post anything. There aer thousands in NOLA who will never have that ability.

3:47 PM  
Blogger dave montrois said...

Does anyone have an idea when and how we can retrieve student possessions from resident halls? My daughter has few clothes at home and will obviously need most everything she left at Tulane. We have a dorm room key and can drive down to campus to pick up but it is a 2-day round trip and would need someone to let us in Butler as I assume it is locked.

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure that everyone realizes and is deeply upset by the tragedy of many of the citizens of New Orleans. Of course their lives have been more heavily impacted than Tulane students. Still, I don't think that it is unfair to question the language used in Scott Cowens guidlines:

"Do not charge tuition if the student has already paid tuition to the home institution; and if the student has not paid the home institution, charge the home institution's rate of tuition and remit that amount to the home institution"

I am going to be taking 13 credits at a state school near my home. The tuition for this school is far less than Tulane's, and, like it or not, if Tulane doesn't refund our tuition it will become a legal matter. They can't keep people's funds against their will when the school is unfit to have a semester.
Now it is entirely possible that they intend to refund the balance of the institutions tuition, but from what I've read I see no reason to believe completely that this is the case.
Maybe some people wouldn't mind "donating" (without a choice) their semesters tuition to Tulane while attending an inferior school.
But for those who do mind, I believe they have a winning case.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For some help.
The following link will give you a least of all accredited universities by state.

http://www.utexas.edu/world/univ/state/

Each university has there own policies. Some schools do not start until the end of Sept. or in another week.
I went through 4 states of schools. Checking on their prices in comparison and if they have my major and classes I was planning on taking.
I am a senior with only 9 credits left to take. I did not lose just my belongings; I lost my home. I grew up and lived in New Orleans. Yes, I went to University College --which is less expensive. So it took me even longer to find an accrtedited school, also with a University College, to accept me since the fees are not comparable to Tulane's full-time student fees.
Most of the shools are accepting only a limited number of "visiting" students. Around 40 to 60. So search now and call as soon as possible. Once something is found go with the flow. The school will have to abide by the statement declared of transfering credits and financial matters. Tulane's name will be forever marred if they don't. As long as the school is accredited, the credits WILL transfer. Most schools can not provide housing. That is the main issue. And if Tulane does not open in the Spring either--some schools will let the student transfer to his or her "visiting" school and become a regular student, but expected to pay the univesities tuition costs.

My question is that I have 2 math classes left to take and Tulane is adamant about "the math has to be Tulane math classes". Will those be able to transfer? I sure hope so.
At this point I would rather take my chances at another university and finish my degree in December as planned and find a job to survive on, considering I can not go back to my home and it will be years before things are ever the same.

4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Testing

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

below is a forum site with info that many may be interested in...

http://tulane.dailyjolt.com/forum/index.html

the tulane university site is also working on a temporary basis...and the med, law, business schools all have links...

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's be real here - the future of Tulane is in serious jeopardy. There is no way the campus will be open by January and to even permit the Tulane family to hold out hope is cruel. After the evacuation it will take at least two months to clean up and we will already be in November. To think that the city will reopen for 500,000 residents in January is ludicrous. Tulane administration needs to face the facts and not continue to string everyone along. Get a financial plan in place that regarding tuition refunds and let students get on with their academic careers at other institutions. If by some luck the campus opens in a year, then the option to return will be there.

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are we being refunded for the room and board for the fall semester and when are we going to be able to collect our things seeing as many students will be living at their visiting school for the semester. A response would be appreciated from Mr. Cowen

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...another great site

http://o4sabk.blogspot.com/

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I HAVE THE ANSWER THAT EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR FROM DR. COWEN....

Folks, he along with the other administrators, Board of Trustees and everyone else under the sun...DO NOT KNOW. You can sit back and let them string you along with speculation or make plans to move on with your life. If Tulane is still there, then so be it. Don't sit still - make plans as if Tulane will not open for at least a year.

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I find it amazing the people are so selfish to and blatently nasty when all they are out for a while is money!"

Right back at you. President Cowen started that tack, when he put that policy siezing tuition money for Tulane' coffers as one of his highest priorities, above the help extended gratis to Tulane's students.

Aside from an endowment, alumni loyalty, other institutions' help, one wonders how Tulane, proclaimed as a great university, could fly without a parachute -- a disaster recovery plan, appropriate insurance coverage, and effective crisis management come to mind. Any business without these, of size and stature, perhaps, ought to go out of business?

4:27 PM  
Blogger JustTryinToHelp said...

hmm

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is my favorite comment from Dr. Cowen:

"All of our residence halls are secure and the contents appear intact"

C'mon Dr. Cowen, where did you get this information? From the Tulane Police Force that is standing guard around the university? Or did FEMA order the National Guard to patrol the campus? If the residence halls are secure, then how can you state the contents "appear" to be intact? Either they are or are not. Stop the pollyanna talk and manage the situation like the crisis it is.

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not all schools are honoring the request to waive tuition. Miami of Ohio is charging full tuition (as of Friday this past week). I have already paid full tuition at Tulane for my daughter. I don't see why I should have to seek out a school that is honoring the free tuition offer (no one nearby in Ohio seems to be). I am a customer of Tulane, not a charitable contributor. Tulane has a moral (and I fully believe, legal) obligation to offer a tuition refund. If people choose to donate, or other colleges choose to offer free tuition in exchange, that is their choice, not an obligation.

4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

despite what anyone has to say for school spirit, loyalty, and other such luxurious sentiments in a time of life and death crisis, a few facts remain.

1. you have a choice to be loyal to your school or be loyal to yourself and then to your school (you always put the oxygen mask on yourself before you put it on your child for a REASON)

2. are you confident that tulane as a university, if you were in such a state of financial devastation, would stretch out its neck to help you???

3. eating, working for survival, and peace of mind are the most important things right now. if you don't have these things, it makes no sense to help when you can't afford to risk it.

4. if you have the option in life of losing a term without severe detriment to yourself, then loyalty to your school is something you can afford. if time is of utter essence to you then perhaps continuing education elsewhere may be a better option for you.

5. whatever you choose to do, you live with the consequences of your actions.

truly, no one in this world was born to look out for you except you. stabilize your situations asap then see what you can do for those around you once you have a solid plan for yourself figured out.

i'm not intending for anyone to desert the university or her peers, but you have seen instances with your own eyes where heros are forgotten and unable to support themselves.

learn from this situation where your resources are, never to put all your assets in one basket, the importance of being flexible, and hopefully a bit about human nature in times of panic as well...the best thing you can do for other people is stabilize your situation then slowly start helping your surroundings.

truly, this crisis is a LOT bigger than simply getting the university back under way. we have a whole city here that has no grocery store/food, no jobs, no housing, and what is worst is that most have lost faith in their government. loyalty is indeed a virtue, but it is not wise to tackle as a student what should be fixed as a government. we have not seen the worst of this problem yet.

best of luck tulane students.

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"C'mon Dr. Cowen, where did you get this information? From the Tulane Police Force that is standing guard around the university?"

He just got to Houston from New Orleans. Some Tulane staff are still there. he said this yesterday: "There are many unsung heroes in the Tulane community – men and women whose bravery made the evacuation of our campuses successful. Some are still on campus protecting our facilities."

4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is why people are blaming Cowen for not having a plan. NO ONE had a plan for something of this magnitude. Tulane had a hurricane plan- ride it out in Jackson and get back on track. Tulane did not have a plan for the city of New Orleans going completely under water and for the national guard having to evacuate thousands of homeless, hungry, and thirsty citizens- you must surely be able to forgive Cowen for not having the foresight.

Also, anyone who says Tulane and New Orleans will still be out of commission in January has obviously never spent any time on the campus and in the city. The students of Tulane and the people of New Orleans cherish the city more than anything else. The city will be up and running. You have to keep in mind it has been less than a week since Katrina made land fall. If you can't believe in New Orleans' (and Tulane's) recovery, then you might as well keep your pessimism in the city where you are from, because that is the last thing anyone who has ever lived in New Orleans wants to hear.

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Dr. Cowen and Board of Trustees,

We appreicate this student Blog as a communication vehicle. We hope you expand this or launch one.

Crisis 101 says to communicate directly and honestly.

Our students and families waited many days until you admitted that Tulane could not be open this term with severe New Orleans health and safety issues. We waited. We wait for your clear refund of our money essential to be deployed to educating our children. Be honest. You will win in the short and long run.

All of us are donating all we can afford to the Red Cross. All of us care greatly for the PEOPLE killed by our nation's negilgence already and the lives that hang in the balance.

With all your brain power, you should be able to answer a few simple tuition questions for those of us who paid $20,000 for a semester you cancelled.

DO not "move on" to other issues with only one bullet point aimed at "students" concerns. Mistake.

A mistake with your supporters.

5:03 PM  
Anonymous crystal said...

i dont know if this belongs here, but i figured it would get read...
I WAS ON TULANE CAMPUS TODAY!!!
although the city is closed and guarded by the military, i got into NOLA today by putting on scrubs and using hospital badges to get into the city with my dad and a group of dr's from Baton Rouge (they are only letting dr's in). i made my dad drive me by my apt. to pick up my laptop and some clothes cause i left the city with nothing. we drove all the way down I-10 from BR to NO and exited at Williams Blvd by the airport..no the bridge is not messed up at all! we got off at williams WHERE THE ELECTRICITY WAS ON AND THE LIGHTS WORKED and went all the way down jefferson (which also had spontaneous working lights!!!!!) and got onto river road and took river road all the way to where the fly is and we turned on broadway. NO WATER...just trees and limbs down. my apt. is at Broadway and st. charles and everything is perfectly FINE! campus and all around was dry. we later took magazine to downtown (cause there are no trees on magazine so easy to drive fast). THE MEDIA IS SOOOOO OVEREXAGGERATING!!! uptown was perfectly fine...no looters, no broken in houses or cars, as i checked many of my friends apartments! there are some places with water still, including the causeway and parts of claiborne, ect, but is is not bad! the places the media keeps showing is like st. bernard parish, slidell, covington, and other places. after we went downtown to the convention center to help, we picked up my dad's friend's mother-in-law...this old lady who lives in kenner aqnd stubbornly didnt leave. she said there was 3 feet of water in the street last week, but it didnt get into her house and it was gone within 2 days...the streets were perfectly dry in kenner! N.O. looks the same...except for spots of flooded streets, downed trees, and power lines...and deafening helicopters overhead! haha. i saw it with my own eyes a few hours ago and just got back into BR. i took pics of st. charles and the front of tulane and some other areas (but not too much cause my camera broke). i will get them to brett and on this website by tomorr hopefully if my camera stops being reterted.
JUST BE SURE: TULANE COULD BE UP IN 2 MONTHS IF IT WANTED!!!...short of an atomic bomb there is NO WAY that what we consider new orleans (uptown, downtown, kenner, metairie) will be messed up still in 2 to 3 months...it will be perfectly fine!

PEOPLE SUCK IT UP AND GET EXCITED TO COME BACK...BECAUSE TULANE WILL BE BACK IN FULL FORCE SOON!!

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let me ask this...

if a student cannot attend another university this Fall for all of the reasons stated by so many here on this site...financial, stress of jumping-in to another school too soon after losing everything, loss of aid, job,etc...will another university still be willing to accept a Tulane student in January?...lets face it the city and its people have a long road ahead...I really hope that once the dust settles in the next few weeks...counselors...academic and otherwise will be able to talk to students and their families whether via email, on-line chat or in another manner to help them make decisions that are right for them...perhaps even regional meetings with students, counselors and alum?

5:17 PM  
Blogger Brett Hyman said...

crystal: please email me so I can feature you on the blog bnhyman@gmail.com

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey my aunt lives in baton rouge and heard on the radio through the board of regents that tulane faculty might be giving online courses this semester and was wondering if anyone knew ANYTHING about this because i am HIGHLY interested...so please please post if you know any websites with info or any other information! Thanks

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crystal....

Thank you for that post...encouraging news to be sure...I did however hear that the airport would be closed through October...and also you have to remember the faculty and staff that may have lost their homes in other areas that were totally under water...BUT...thank you...perhaps, Spring semester will happen....

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....hey, on-line courses...what a novel idea! :)

5:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

free tuition my ass. they say you can go to almost any school as long as you can provide proff of paying your bill and show your transcript. first of all, that is all online, making it impossible to submit. second, i am a student on academic scholarship and loans. i dont actually pay tulane anything. i am just in debt up to my ears. i called my loan institutions and they told me that all of the payments to tulane have been cancelled. if i want loans i have to reapply through the new school. all of the colleges accepting students are doing it as "special" or "continuing" students and say that financial aid of any sorts is hence not available. why is it that the "achiever" is forced to sit this one out and suffer? i have specific course to complete in order to graduate this year and now i just have no idea what is going to happen

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Tulane Parent from Alabama. My son is a second year Architecture student. After looking at several options for other schools, he signed up as a Volunteer with the American Red Cross to help in Gulf Coast Disaster Relief for the semester. I know that all the tuition we just paid will either be refunded or be applied to the Spring Semester. My son has a heart of gold for choosing this course of action. My eyes are wet because he makes me a most proud parent. It is far nobler to give of yourself then to whine about money or a lost semester.

5:54 PM  
Blogger Katrina911 said...

students seeking information on registration at other universities, please consult the following:

http://www.scup.org/knowledge/katrina/

the site is run out of the university of michigan and they have been tirelessly working with administrators across the country to assemble the information for displaced students in a user-friendly format. It looks like they succeeded.

5:56 PM  
Blogger RazaTaina said...

I am a Tulane senior and I transferred last year. To graduate from Tulane, I need to take a minimum of 60 tulane credits. If I do a semester somewhere else, I'm wondering if those credits would count towards my graduation requirement because of the circumstances? I would gladly appreciate some input because i need to decide soon if i should or should not enroll somewhere else.

6:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From a Parent:
1. I believe that my child is adjusting to her new situation because of her experiences at Tulane last year. Thank you Tulane faculty.
2. As a parent, I am very concerned about the meaning of the tuition comments - specifically, we have not paid our Tulane bill - it wasn't due until Aug. 31st. What if we have to pay tuition at the host state university (if not waived) - will we still have to pay Tulane's? The state university's tuition of course is a lot lower than Tulane's.
3. My husband and I want to do what is ethically right. We realize that many people are hurting right now, and we pray for them. We are thankful our daughter and her Tulane friends are safe. But we made decisions about this semester without having the facts. We really need clear answers, or at least some feeling that Tulane will be willing to discuss and negogiate reasonable settlements
4. Financially, we are out of pocket almost $2000 - between lost airline ticket fares, replacing clothes, dorm needs and other school needs- this is before we settle with Tulane. Ethically, who is responsible here - should we as parents be taking on some of this loss? And not like someone else said - we struggle to give our child the gift of a Tulane education - even with her scholarship money.

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think everyone is feeling a heavy sense of loss and a little anger at more lost tuition money is understandable. People that are disappointed are giving of themselves and know how important Tulane is to New Orleans. I hope it comes back stronger than ever, but I think that this policy isn't a good way to insure that it does. I hope they change it because I want students to come back and I want their parents to feel happy sending them back. New Orleans is going to need new people excited to be a part of the community and I think Tulane helps New Orleans enormously by finding them and helping them with their educations. I hope more Tulane graduates will decide to stay or come back to New Orleans after this.

6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I talked to UMass about taking classes there (not actually what I'm doing), and they were going to give me the same financial aid package they had originally offered me. That might not be that helpful to people not in MA, but umm... if you're a freshman from Massachusetts and you applied to UMass, it could be worth a look.
Lauren King

6:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Freshman's Parent - While we are in the same situation having paid money and the uncertainty of what will happen, I find it amazing the people are so selfish to and blatently nasty when all they are out for a while is money! Scott Cowen has more than enough other things to be concerned with right now, including the safety of his own family, and the staff and employees and their families of Tulane along with trying to understand what the real situation is in NOLA. It will be weeks before anyone will have any realistic idea of a timetable or timeline for the Tulane and the city in general. Everyone should be thankful that they made it out safely and are able to be around to even post anything. There are thousands in NOLA who will never have that ability.

7:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey all
I dont know if this will really help anyone... but I spoke with BU and basically if you paid Tulane it is "free" in the sense that they will bill Tulane and recieve your money (or so it seemed). I think that Cowen will say what is going on, my best guess (im only a student so im not 100% sure) is that if you go to a college either they will a. bill Tulane and get your money (if it is less than Tulane, you will prb recieve some money back) or b. you will pay the unvi. what they ask (if you have NOT paid tulane). If you already paid Tulane and are not going to a university then im sure they will refund your tuition or hold it for spring semester. Give it some time, I know it sucks and you want to know.... but there are other things that they need to deal with. I know that they will not just ignore the money situation... something will be figured out, just be patient, Tulane prb has to figure stuff out with insurance too

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What I don't understand is why people are blaming Cowen for not having a plan. NO ONE had a plan for something of this magnitude. Tulane had a hurricane plan- ride it out in Jackson and get back on track. Tulane did not have a plan for the city of New Orleans going completely under water and for the national guard having to evacuate thousands of homeless, hungry, and thirsty citizens- you must surely be able to forgive Cowen for not having the foresight."

The probability that something of this nature could occur would not escape someone responsible for such planning. This scenario was not unthinkable, not at all -- only the nature of the response, which has been abysmal (I am not talking of Tulane, but the efforts of local, state, and federal officials).

I have no problem that Tulane's "Plan A" was to move to Jackson and ride out the storm. But, to not have a plan for the worst PROBABLE case (one predicted by engineers, scientists, and scholars, and highlighted in print and other media), like not having insurance... but

It appears now that Tulane does have coverage, as alluded to in the latest drivel from el Presidente.

So the reason for the tuition grab policy is???

Anyway, those who say to trust Tulane have clearly not been on the short end of an antiquated A/R system, a financial aid staff that do not answer the phone, reply to faxes, or respond to mail, the lack of competent academic advising, etc. -- in other words, the SOP at Tulane. Ambiance, yes. Great teaching institution, yes. Competent operation, no.

And those enamoured of the local charm are surely not going to be dissapointed by what emerges from this catastrophic episode. After all, a stroll along Broadway always looks like a category five just ripped through.

8:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brett,
Thank you for keeping us informed. Your site has been a godsend, providing those of us who are starved for any information to help us make a critical decision. Tulane and Scott Cowen could learn something from you about communication. Is there something special about your site that makes it so accesible - I keep having trouble with Tulane's. It seems like Tulane only needs an internet connection to broadcast information. Did I miss the 5:00 message that was promised?

Thanks again Brett!

9:10 PM  
Blogger Sharon Feigenbaum said...

Give President Cowen a break. He will do the right thing.

9:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alright guys, I know that its frustrating to pay Tulane tuition for classes at a public school that is 1/5 of the price- trust me, I am in the same boat (attending a University of California college for the price of TU)... but if we love Tulane as much as we say we do, we need to suck it up and remember why this is necessary: IF TULANE DOES NOT REBUILD ITSELF, WE CANNOT GO BACK! and unfortunately, rebuilding our beloved campus takes MONEY. who else should this money come from than the students who are so passionate about their university? we are the ones who will benefit once the school is up and running again, so it only makes sense that we must help it happen. the old saying rings true: you can't have your cake and eat it too. lets all focus on what is important- getting our amazing school back in shape- and stop wasting time on what isn't. besides, you ARE getting credits for your money. let's show our loyalty and love for tulane instead of griping about dollars and cents; it's the least we can do for this incredible university.

10:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a wonderful blog. Reading it over, one fascinating thing is the indifference of the wealthier students to the plight of the students with genuine financial concerns. The wealthier students make comments about being willing to blow off whatever tuition they have paid Tulane in the name of some lofty goal. They even castigate those who have the temerity to worry about the money they are at this point owed back either in the form of cash or services. I think this shows very little understanding of the actual situation of their fellow students, who, whether they believe it or not, come from families who typically live more or less from paycheck to paycheck. Certainly their situation is hardly as direr as the suffering underclass from the gulf region, but their concerns could not be more real. I think some students at Tulane live in a bubble.

5:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is President Cowen going to specifically address the status of seniors? Can they graduate "early" --if so exactly how many credits are required?
The implication from Official Tulane statements is that they intend to keep your tuition even if you were to attend a different institution that cost less.
Why is Tulane trying to GOUGE its students in this most trying time? Why can't the school use clear language that would make life easier for everyone?
President Cowen your students need answers NOW--
--can seniors graduate "early" with the Tulane credits they've already earned?
--Will tuition be refunded if the student doesn't attend classes this semester?
--Will Tulane tuition be refunded if the student attends an institution that is far cheaper?
Tulane official statements are leaving questions about credit for courses & tuition open to interpretation.

5:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard that the Tulane dorms (as well as the other housing units at the other NOLA schools) are going to be used to house displaced persons? This may be mandated by the feds without a choice from Tulane.

7:59 AM  
Blogger The Man said...

I attended Tulane back in 1975/76 and want to help out if anyone there you know needs housing in Florida. If you know anyone who is relocating to teh Orlando/Central Florida region - let me know at vrman@cfl.rr.com. UCF is accepting Tulane students, and they have a small satellite campus about 20 minutes away from me. Let me know if there is anything else I can do - we are volunteering for the Red cross, donating to charitable organizations, writing to our government reps, working to stop the human impact on global warming and offering to share our home with displaced NOLAers. It will get better - we survived three hurricanes last year!

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What were they thinking? Tulane need to offer online classes to students. Most classes, with the exception of labs, can be held effectively online. Tulane need and must reconsider its priorities.

9:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Guys
This is a qoute from Cowen on a audio transcript (avaliable at tulane.edu)
"Students, I know you and your parents have questions. We will answer them as quickly as possible. We will soon have a call center available to answer your questions about the enrollment plan, specifically tuition-related questions. You can be sure that we will implement the plan in a manner that is fair and equitable as it regards the tuition you have paid or must pay to the institution you will attend this fall. "
So do not worry about tuition stuff... they will be answered soon

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW ORLEANS HAS ALREADY POSTED INFORMATION REGARDING TUITION, HOUSING AND COURSE TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS. GET WITH IT TULANE AND STOP WITH THE SWEET TALK THANKING US FOR OUR LOYALTY TO TULANE. WE WANT THE FACTS! IF YOU CAN'T GET IT TOGETHER THEN HIRE A CRISIS MANAGEMENT TEAM THAT CAN GET IT DONE.

http://www.uno.edu/faq.html

11:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a parent of an incoming freshman, I am growing concerned by what has been said (and not been said) about tuition this fall. Tulane starts later in the year than many of the colleges in the southern US; all of our child's friends have been in classes for two weeks or more. With little information coming from the university last week, and articles in our newspaper that other local institutions were enrolling students from NO universities but with limited vacancies, we proceeded on our own and were successful in gaining admittance at another university (unfortunately only for three classes/9 hrs). As Georgia residents tuition for "in state" students is free under the provisions of the HOPE scholarship program. We do not expect to forfeit our Tulane tuition payment when the benefits we expected to receive from that payment weren't realized and an equivalent course load wasn't available to us. A lot of goodwill has been dissipated by the communications eminating from the emergency web site.

Our impressions of Tulane during our college selection process led to us selecting it, and we hope that our child may resume studies there in the spring semester, but
while trying to keep emotions in check, the implications of Dr. Cowen's messages are disturbing.

12:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please explain why would I pay our state university, which usually cost 19,000 in-state, $40,000????

1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tulane has a FAQ list up on their website. It is very vague and leaves more questions than answers. The big question as stated above...do I get a refund if the "free" tuition I receive from X university is less than what I have paid to Tulane? If not, then there are going to be far more problems for Tulane than there already is. Dr. Cowen, stop with the silly sweet talk and give us some answers. You and your "team" should stop and think what drives Tulane...it's the students. Without them you have nothing, so let's get the answers NOW!

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

College students from all over the country are allowed to transfer to other colleges. Dr Cowen has tried to make it impossible for Tulane student to transfer, asking that colleges only admit them on a "visiting" status. Maybe that choice should be left to the students!

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that choice should be left to the students too. I think it is really. I don't think he can tell colleges to kick his students out after a semester if they want to transfer.

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting point about the feds possibly needing the Tulane dorms. After September 11, one impediment to the Stuyvesant High School students returning was the use of their high school for the emergency workers. However, Tulane is in a different situation. First of all, as the largest employer in New Orleans, it needs to get back on its feet ASAP, and I think this will weigh determinatively against its dorms being commandeered. Moreover, unlike NYC after 9/11, New Orleans is absolutely empty now, and there is a fantastic amount of hotel space that the recovery teams could utilize.

1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys, there will be a phone line set up in the upcoming week to answer questions about tuition.... take a deep breath.... i know its frusterating but Cowen is trying to get the basics of Tulane up... I know that there are some people who had NOT paid tuition. I am sure he is trying to get the computer information of tuition so they can answer questions of people who are on scholorship, actually paid, or have another special circumstance. They have to have all the information bc anyone can call and be like my son/daughter goes to Tulane and we pay full price... I want my money... they need to have all your specific information. How would you feel if someone used your name and got your money back and screwed you over.... just wait for Tulane to get thier info back.... he will make it right. there really is no need to sue.... it would be really dick if you did bc some people lost everything and im sure most judges in new orleans (yes the case would go in new orleans due to jurisdiction) would tell you to fucking get over bc other people lost everything.... so calm down, be glad you are alive and do what you feel is best for yourself (either take class or work or intern or travel)

1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ATTENTION PARENTS AND STUDENTS: PROTECT YOUR TUITION MONEY!

I have been involved in the accrediting process of higher education institutions and I would like to offer you some advice. It appears the biggest question is your fall tuition payment. Will there be a refund if coursework completed elsewhere costs less than what was paid to Tulane. Or what if a student elects to leave Tulane, will there be a refund rather than having tuition credited to the spring semester. Tulane is accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. All institutions that are under the auspicies of the SACS have clear guidelines for tutiton refunds. This is outlined in the accrediting report and in the college catalog. Usually a full refund is granted if a student leaves campus within the first week of class. To protect your investment, I suggest that you send a written letter to Tulane at the Houston campus address outlining your desire for a refund of tuition for the fall semester and requesting a leave of absence. If the campus opens in the spring, Tulane will certainly readmit any student and you will be assured of a tuition refund as outlined in the catalog and accrediting report which is a legal document. For further information, contact the SACS at 404-679-4500.

2:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking from my "lawyer side", nobody needs to formally request a refund under any guidelines. School is NOT in session.
And, speaking from my "parent of a Tulane student side", I believe that (as many have posted) Tulane and President Cowen will do the right thing. Give them some time.

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking from my "lawyer" side I respectfully disagree with you, counselor. School is not in session, but the "agreement" that has not been established appears to link Tulane's fall tuition with that of the visiting school. Go ahead take your chances, but I'd memorialize something to protect yourself. Putting all your faith in Dr. Cowen is comendable, but not everyone is going to come out even. It's your call. From my "parent" side, I'm not taking chances.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone else think it would make sense for Tulane to switch to a quarter system????? This way the students could at least get two quarters in this year ( is school does in fact start in Jan.), but most importantly, Tulane could start the 2006 Fall quarter at the end of Sept! You know, *after* hurricane season! This might attract new freshman students and allay the fears that parents have about the school. Comments?

5:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes (and to the other lawyer :-) -- if a parent and-or student now go ahead and enter into an agreement with another school which tracks the posted guidelines, that might change the contractual arrangement. But other than that type of specific affirmation by the parent and-or student, all of us paid tuition under an explicit contract with Tulane for a school in session at Tulane University, and I do not think anyone has to formally withdraw to protect that original agreement. (Maybe that is also why as a parent, I am not very worried that Tulane will do the right thing).

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I should add to my just posted comment: For example, I understand that a lot of students accepted free tuition offers from schools before "the guidelines" were even discussed at a 2 p.m. conference on 9-2-05 and before they were posted later on 9-2-05. Those students could not possibly be bound by after-the-fact-established guidelines.

And even for students who accepted free tuition offers after 9-2-05, unless there was a specific contract with the visiting institution that it would follow the guidelines as a condition of admittance, how could such "guidelines" alter the student's contract with Tulane?
I don't think it can.
And even for students who accepted free tuition offers after 9-2-05, unless there was a specific contract with the visiting institution that it would follow the guidelines as a condition of admittance, how could such "guidelines" alter the student's contract with Tulane?

7:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QUESTION: If I send my child to an instate school where the tuition is $7,000 and pay the Tulane rate of $30,000, is Tulane planning on sending me a receipt for the IRS so we can take a charitable deduction for the extra tuition I pay this fiscal year in excess of my children’s actual education costs? I really wasn't planning on making that kind of donation to Tulane this year.

Looks like withdrawal is the only option. Remember your Sept 13th date for 100% tution refund.

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole situation is unprecedented because if you withdraw, what are you withdrawing from? There is no school in session. I recommend, however going through the motions of "withdrawing" with a formal letter to Tulane because you are following the guidelines in the catalog and accreditation report which is a binding contract. Tulane may make some changes such as balancing your fall Tulane tuition with that of the "visiting" school's tuition, but any such changes are after the fact. Following the current tuition refund guidelines in the contract and formally withdrawing will save any legal hassles you may encounter down the line.

9:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are from Houston and can commute, Rice is accepting as many students as they can at no out-of-pocket cost. Check out their website.

11:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a FAQ part on the website, but nowhere do they address these financial issues. I do not want to take out multiple thousands of loans to attend a state school where I'm only taking a few classes! They need to address the details of financing and the exceptions like only going somewhere else part time or not attending another institution at all.

8:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Cowan or other Tulane staff,
We would really appreciate it if you would provide an address, phone number, or e-mail address to contact you or the university in any way. Thank you.


-A loyal Tulane senior

8:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In order to technically get your money back, normally you have to notify the school. In this case, it seems as though they are intentionally not giving people any way to contact them. I hope this isn't the case. All it takes is a mailing address, Tulane. People will get their money back one way or another, the only difference will be whether they still want to attend Tulane.

8:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RENT
What about off campus housing? Any information on what we are supposed to do - obviously not pay rent - but what about our things, breaking the lease, needing it for next semester, contacting the landlord? Legal advice would be appreciated.

Thank you

9:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Tulane adminstrative offices are now located at:

Tulane's Houston Campus, 1700 W Loop S Suite 900, Houston, TX

9:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There appears to be great differences in the way that SMU in Dallas is treating us.

Another person on this forum says that they registered at SMU in Dallas and are receiving free tuition, free meal plan and free parking...

I registered at SMU also but could not receive free meals and was asked to pay $100 for a parking permit...needless to say I am looking elsewhere - going to Texas A&M today to see what they can do..

9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can some of the lawyers who supplied comments earlier tell us how to handle leases with off campus housing? What verbiage do we use to cancel the lease? Is there a specific form the state requires? How do we retrieve our items left behind?

4:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Tulane website posted a number of “Frequently Asked Questions” about which I am confused and concerned.

One question asks, “Where should I pay my Tulane tuition?” and provides a mailing address, when the university has cancelled classes for the fall semester due to Hurricane Katrina. Is the administration expecting families to pay fall tuition when no Tulane classes are offered in return? As the administration acknowledges in its 9/5 message, many students have not enrolled in other colleges or universities this fall. Beyond that, many students have enrolled for a less-than-full time schedule at other colleges and universities which may or may not honor Tulane’s request to remit tuition money to Tulane. Some of these are public institutions offering in-state tuition or even full or partial merit-based scholarships. Does the administration expect these students, nonetheless, to pay Tulane tuition for the fall semester?

Another “Frequently Asked Question” is answered that already-paid fall room and board fees will be credited to the spring semester. In light of the earlier answer providing a mailing address where to send fall tuition payments, and no reference to crediting already-paid fall tuition to the spring semester, the clear implication is that Tulane expects families to pay fall tuition.

Most families struggle financially to send their sons and daughters to Tulane because of the small classes, excellent faculty, wonderful resources, and prestige that a Tulane degree carries. These families are not in a financial position for the administration to expect them to donate fall tuition to the school.

Furthermore, another question asks: “If I do not come back to Tulane University, and have paid tuition, will my Tulane University financial aid package be credited to me to pay for the fall semester?” The answer is a categorical “No”. Does this mean that Tulane not only expects to keep already-paid fall tuition, but all intends to invoice financial aid students for the balance of their fall tuition if they, for a myriad of individual and personal reasons, do not return to Tulane in the spring?

If these are the financial policies the Tulane administration is adopting in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, then they are ill-conceived and misguided. These policies will offend more families than they will attract. Rather than engendering the goodwill that Tulane so desperately needs at this time, these policies will only cause anger and resentment among those families.

6:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't worry about leases on or off campus - the facilities are uninhabitable and because of this it's doubtful you will be held liable to pay for rent. Tulane administration has made a grave mistake by not addressing the myriad of tuiton payment issues immediately. After the evacuation was complete, this should have been the first item to be discussed. It has created more confusion, frustration and obviously more concern than any other issue. The fact that it has been over a week now and the administration continues to dance around this issue shows that they have not figured this one out. Unless they refund tuition from what was paid to Tulane and what will be received at another insitution there will be many upset parents and students. I doubt this will occur and I expect to see a floodgate of lawsuits soon. I would also like to see the administration address the issue of Tulane's solvency under these grave conditions. Does Tulane carry insurance that would cover such catastrophic events like these that would call for a mass refund to students? How much is in the endowment that can be tapped for such situations? Without answers like these, the future solvency of Tulane is a big question mark in my mind.

8:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per Miami university of ohio, the department of education will issue a statement (maybe today) on the issue of how all schools should handle the impact of the hurricane on credits, scholarships and tuition. As of last friday Miami told us we would pay full tuition and as of today, they are saying they will issue an invoice with an October due date so that there is time for the department of education message to be issued and any follow up required.

9:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have the posts in this section regarding tuition concerns been emailed to President Cowen ?

7:40 PM  
Blogger Renee2323 said...

SCHOLARSHIPS-- Study for free at Hebrew University in Jerusalem (semester starts in OCTOBER)

http://www.hunews.huji.ac.il/articles.asp?cat=10&artID=516

Hebrew University to Accept Students from Closed Tulane University in New Orleans September 07 2005
A helping hand has been extended by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in the form of accepting students from New Orleans whose studies have been interrupted by Hurricane Katrina.



Hebrew University President Prof. Menachem Magidor said that the university made this decision following the announcement by Tulane University, New Orleans’ largest institution of higher learning, that it would have to shut down for the fall semester.



Students from New Orleans will be accepted into the Hebrew University’s Rothberg International School for a semester or year’s studies and will be housed in the university’s Mt. Scopus dormitories.



The provost of the Rothberg International School, Prof. Jaime Kapitulnik, left last Thursday for the U.S. in order to further arrangements for accepting the students. There, he is meeting with students and various organizations, including representatives of the Jewish community of New Orleans and heads of Tulane University who are now in Houston, Texas.



“In order to ease the way for the students, we will shorten the acceptance process,” said Prof. Kapitulnik. “We will also adjust our studies in accordance with their needs and will provide scholarships.”



At this stage, the university is preparing to extend 20 scholarships, but if necessary this will be extended to additional students

email academic@houston.mfa.gov.il for more information

8:26 AM  
Anonymous sam said...

We are two education reporters for The New York Times, and are working on a story about the tuition policies adopted by Tulane and other Gulf Coast universities since the storm. We would like to talk to any students or parents affected by these policies and who would like to have their views heard about them. call sam at 212-556-3759 or message to dillon@nytimes.com with a phone number and we'll call back.

10:12 AM  
Anonymous A Tulane Parent said...

I recommended that Tulane extend the September 13 deadline to request a full refund of tuition and fees until they have formulated and communicated a thorough policy that addresses tuition and fees. That simple act of goodwill would relieve much of the worry evident in this blog. Unfortunately, to date Tulane has neither responded to my e-mail nor extended the deadline.

11:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the administration is trying to find what end is up first. You have to realize who is running the show here! These are academeics, not business people. They are goood at cheerleading, glad handing, schmoozing, progressing through the good ol' boys network of academe and writing scholarly articles that make no sense. Now their feet is to the fire and they do not know what to do.

12:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The US Department of Education posted new information today on federal aid rules for students impacted by Katrina. Interestingly they are encouraging all schools to admit displaced students as "regular" (eg. degree seeking) students, not as "visiting" students as Tulane has requested. No comment however on the overall tuition situation.

2:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

in one of the news links on the emergency site, Dr. Cowen is quoted as saying that Tulane intends to keep the tuition paid for the fall.

6:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes I saw that article
http://chronicle.com/free/2005/09/2005090703n.htm
But keep it for what purpose? for spring semester?
The article and quote is unclear.
Tulane cannot keep tuition paid for something not provided.

7:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In another article, referring to Princeton (which is taking in Tulane students), the article states:

See http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/12583966.htm

>>Spokeswoman Cass Cliatt said Princeton is unique because it offering on-campus housing as well as classroom space. She stressed that the newcomers will be visiting - not transfer - students.
"It's very important to their home institutions to continue to receive that revenue (from tuition) and that assurance that their students would return," Cliatt said.

While their sentiments may certainly be in the right place, I think all these schools need to talk to a lawyer, because they just do not have a legal right to unilaterally change the basic contract between Tulane student and Tulane University. The tuition paid is for an education at Tulane only. Both the Tulane student and Tulane University can change that contract together; but one party to a contract cannot unilaterally make any such change to the basic agreement.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will be interesting to see what the term "visiting student" actually means legally. I wonder if there is one universal definition that all colleges subscribe to? The key point for many of us, will obviously be how differences in tuition are treated? I agree with an earlier comment that the staff at Tulane have devoted their adult lives to higher education and can't make these types of decisions when under pressure and faced with difficult choices. Nonetheless the NY Times should use Tulane as a case study on exactly what an institutuion should NOT do regarding students and their tuition. Its clear to me that Tulane only cares about the money. Otherwise they would of stated clearly that they would refund any difference between the Tulane tuition rate and the student's tuition rate at their new college as a visiting student. Tulane apparently still doesn't realize that their total lack of precise information on tuition and implication that it will be lengthly and difficult if not impossible to get any type of tuition refund will ultimately severly reduce future alumni donations from students affected.

4:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Above poster) - these are excellent comments. The main issue is the relative inability of the Tulane administration to communicate effectively under this crisis. Cowen is blaming the fact that this is the first time in history that an event like this has occurred and this is true. However, 9/11 was the first, too in modern times and there have been other firsts. The difference is the type of leadership at the helm...Rudy Guiliani was savvy, street smart and experienced. The Tulane administration are from the academic world - they can write a great text and article, but they lack practical day to day business world experiences. The Tulane Board of Trustees should recognize this and make some changes. As far as Tulane needing the money - that's obvious. For a school ranked in the top 50 (US News & World Report), Tulane's endowment does not match up with other schools in the same category. The 50th highest ranking college endowment last year is nearly a half a billion dollars higher than Tulane's. Tulane operates on a thin line - they discount tuiton to attract students, spend great deals of money on marketing and promotion. The school is in serious trouble. Cowen will continue to push for a spring opening and will probably continue to push dates back claiming the spring can start in February, then maybe March. There may be a groundswell of returning students willing to return, but there will be few, if any new "customers" and consequently the future of Tulane is in serious jeopardy.

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1. Normally, detailed planning for the Spring Semester starts as soon as Fall Semester is underway. Things like what Professors and teaching assistants will be there for planning of sections of classes. What classrooms are available and how many students can they hold? Normal non-trivial planning like that. Is the administration planning these things now, or are they still tied up with the more macro issues, like how the University can open and survive?
2. Cowen has said there will be a Spring Semester. It was due to start the middle of January 2006 and ends the beginning of May. Are those timelines still in effect? Can they get the issues, both micro and macro resolved in time for a mid January opening? Will the Spring Semester be pushed back? Pushed back to when? When will it end? How will a later ending, perhaps the middle of June effect student’s ability to get internships and jobs during the summer?
3. Big assumption here, but I’ll make it for argument’s sake. Let’s say we get back all of our professors and TA’s so a full schedule of classes can be offered. Let’s also say all of the students in the dorms move back in, all classrooms were unharmed, and all students living off campus have apartments to move back to. They may have some flood damage, but nothing that hasn’t happened before.
1. There are THOUSANDS of staff at the school including secretarial, administrative, maintenance, security and food service that need to staff positions at the school. ALMOST ALL OF THIS STAFF IS LIVING ELSEWHERE RIGHT NOW, AND MAY NOT COME BACK TO NEW ORLEANS. How is the school going to run without people to man the food services? Many of these people had their homes destroyed and probably won’t be coming back to the City. Is Sohodex going to bring new people in from the outside? Where are they going to house them? The same can be said for the other staff positions? Any thoughts here?
4. Given the above issues, where will the administrations priorities lie? Continuing with their nationally recognized research? Providing staff and resources for Grad students? Seniors and Juniors before Sophomores and Freshman? On campus students before off campus students? Recruiting for the Class of 2010? Addressing the safety issues from the toxicity that currently exists in the City? Complaining that Commander’s Palace hasn’t reopened yet? Getting the professors to focus on research and teaching rather than trying to rebuild their homes? Whether it is prudent for the baseball team to practice on toxic dust or make sure the infield hasn’t died out because of the flooding?
5. Will the administration learn from their lack of disaster planning and work on implementing new policies, processes and procedures to prevent this from happening again? Right now the levees are in the same shape they were before the hurricane. We are one hurricane away from this happening again. I know the weather can’t be prevented, but can the administration at least admit that they screwed up their response to Katrina, and outline a plan to do better next time? Or should we ask Nagin, Blanco and Brown to plan our disaster recovery?

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Rensselear Polytechnic Institute (RPI) in Troy, NY is offering free tuition and room & board, and waiving all fees for displaced Tulane students. They were extremely helpful in getting my freshman daughter settled in as quickly as possible.

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My nephew is a displaced student that was accepted by Brown University. They even gave him a free dorm room and a free meal plan.

As his father is self-employed and both parents work in the small business in New Orleans, his parents are both without income now... and will be for a long time. Furthermore, their home in under water, and they are camping out in my house in MA.

Now, Tulane University have some crap up on their web site saying that they're going to keep all fall tuition money because "...without the tuition, they would find it difficult to reopen on time for the Spring semester..."

As far as I'm concerned, free tuition from Brown is Katrina aid FOR THE PARENTS and not for Tulane University. I'm hoping that the parents get together to fight this.

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